[花邊] Shaq:04年的我們並不團結
On the "Straight Game" podcast, Shaq reflected on what went wrong that season."You know you have to be together to win a championship," he said. "That was
the year. I'll let you figure out what that means. But that was the year whena lot of stuff was going on, and we weren't really together. So he [Kobe
Bryant] did the right thing, when we lost, he said, 'Hey, we have to get rid
of Shaq. Or I'm not coming back.' So they chose a younger guy, and then I wastraded a couple of days later." While much has been said about that season,
the inside details have always been murky. Years later, Phil Jackson wrote inhis book "The Last Season" about Kobe's relentless desire to take over, oftenbreaking away from the system to play hero-ball, which disrupted team
chemistry. That dysfunction, more than anything, doomed the Lakers.
在《Straight Game》Podcast節目上,Shaq回顧了那一季出了什麼問題。
「你知道要贏得總冠軍大家必須團結一致,但那一年,我就讓你自己去理解這句話的意思
。那年發生了很多事情,我們其實並不團結所以當我們輸球後,他做了他認為正確的決定
,他說:『嘿,我們必須把Shaq送走,不然我就不回來了。』所以他們選擇了一個更年輕
的傢伙,然後幾天後我就被交易了。」
雖然關於那個賽季的討論很多,但內部細節始終模糊不清。多年後Phil Jackson在他的書
《The Last Season》中寫道,Kobe不斷渴望接管球隊經常脫離體系去打英雄球,破壞了球
隊的化學反應,這種內部失衡勝過其他任何因素,最終註定了湖人的失敗。
"And if you look up at our relationship, it's the classic tale of The
Godfather," he said. "You got the Godfather that came from Orlando, and he's
the Godfather. But you have a young capo. And finally [shows gun signals withhis hands]. He's Michael [Corleone], I'm the Godfather, 'cuz remember when I
came to L.A., I was already established."
"I was the biggest thing in the league. So he's there and he f—in' wants it.
We win three, we do a lot of deals, and then finally I get assassinated. Theythought I was dead, and I relocated to Miami, and then I got to get it back.
It's business," he added.
Kobe's obsession with stepping into Michael Jordan's shoes ultimately hurt
the Lakers. Shaq, admittedly more laid-back at the time, was still dominant
and productive. As long as he remained the number one option, he didn't see
an issue.
Blame can be placed on both sides, but many believe Bryant's determination toprove himself was the decisive factor. The bitter truth is that if the two
superstars had found a way to coexist, the Lakers might have won several morechampionships together.
「如果你回顧我們的關係那就像《教父》中的經典故事,你有一個從奧蘭多來的教父,但
你也有個年輕的幹部,最後──(他用手比出開槍的手勢),他是Michael Corleone而我
是教父,別忘了當我來到洛杉磯時我就已經是個家喻戶曉的大人物了。」
「當時我是整個聯盟最具統治力的存在,他媽的他非常想要得到它。我們聯手拿了三個冠
軍完成無數輝煌成就,然後我就被暗殺了。他們以為我完了,但我搬到邁阿密然後我要重
新奪回一切,這就是生意。」
Kobe想要接班Michael Jordan的執念最終傷害了湖人,當時仍保持巔峰統治力的Shaq則態
度更為隨性,只要他仍是球隊的第一選擇便認為無需改變。
責任雙方都有但許多人認為Kobe渴望證明自己的決心才是關鍵性的因素,殘酷的事實是如
果這兩位超級巨星能找到共存之道,湖人或許能再贏下好幾座總冠軍。
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活塞就是比較強
活塞 肌肉籃球??
歐肥如果能4連霸4連FMVP
就敗球仔Kobe在那邊敗球啊 不過你歐肥後來狀況那麼
歷史地位至少保底前4了
差又爆肥 想拿好幾個冠軍也是做夢
胖子就沒那個自制力 有的話會被賣?
那年輸的主因是馬龍倒下,什麼kobe獨都是shaq跟phil
甩鍋而已,過幾年phil還不是回去執教了他口中uncoac
記得3連霸3連FMVP只有喬丹 歐肥達成過?
hable的kobe
歐肥那幾年態度也很爛吧...
還能打到冠軍賽不簡單
明明就是04年替補根本上不了
還是古早時代還有誰?
我也覺得馬龍傷退影響最大 再怎樣都打到冠軍賽了
休賽季休息,開季才去開刀養傷的是誰,shaq是以為大
家忘了?
其實是馬刺斷掉湖人連霸,不是活塞
少了郵差兩人的矛盾直接在場上爆發吧
記得西區馬龍連扛姚明、TD跟KG
雖然我不喜歡馬龍 但我印象當年也是靠馬龍撐到總決
沒郵差扛可能TD和KG都過不了
俠客如果四連FMVP將會一舉超越喬丹
老馬龍能過KD跟TD真的鬼神
KG
馬刺照理說可是比去年更強呢!
那時光歐布就薪資爆炸,fox又嚴重退化
為什麼是馬刺 我印象西冠老馬受傷 對手是灰狼啊?
Shaq有提自己體態不自律 季前開刀例行賽養傷嗎?
馬龍傷退影響比較大吧
槍西:我們防守策略很簡單 不讓Kobe拿到球 讓歐肥
一直打 看到歐肥一直得分Kobe就會很不爽
遇到事情就說我們 按慣例是要被噴爆的
03馬刺:…hello?
球隊老大那麼懶惰 是我也想當老大啦
03TD表示:哈嘍?
那年真的是老馬龍在季後賽力扛姚明TD跟KG
也是啦 那時好像就已經不爽Kobe了
湖人三連霸前後年冠軍都是馬刺
不對,當他們輸給活塞就註定要拆了,贏球治百病
老大賽季中狂出庭
真正的搶FMVP
活塞吹上天的鐵桶陣防守還比不上一個KOBE
Kobe 想要接管球隊起因是歐尼爾02-03開季開刀不敬業
吧,跟04有啥關係,想甩鍋喔
去KOBE墳前說啦
老大開庭有時會延誤出賽 但回來表現都蠻猛的
那年歐布跟本沒心力打 只有馬龍在硬撐
歐布要是合作玩真的全力打有沒有馬龍都照碾活塞半
核共震
俠客總冠軍賽還是打爆活塞禁區不是嗎
有人光顧著下半身的事情
一人一城 這城不是你的
重點還是馬龍受傷
歐肥的自制力 給他留在湖人繼續當頭牌只會更糟 在熱
火那前兩年是有關面子的關係在驅動他 沒看到他拿了
那冠後又開始擺爛了
你被活塞守爆了
DPOY Kobe守住了霸凌仔
禪師在書中說明第一戰犯是Payton
00~02 歐肥就是3冠3FMVP啊
Kobe反而在攻守兩端不斷幫Payton擦屁股
我看你們都是Sonny Corleone吧
Kobe的丹佛事件 歐尼爾沒有相挺也是關係下降的因素
在這之後Kobe的聲勢有明顯的下降 直到81分橫空出世
04場外因素明顯影響到場內 是上車的那幾個老傢伙勉
強維繫整隊的氣氛
Kobe能共存就不是Kobe了
其實沒0.4秒那球 湖人應該就掰了
連扛姚明,TD,KG 然後,就沒有然後了
歐肥不是還落井下石說NBA這很常見 但被告的只有老大
某人忙著出庭還要買鑽戒
胖虎這人絕對有心理障礙,人前人後的雙面人,超屌
可惜沒四連霸
我也記得03 還是04歐肥特別重 340磅
我玩nba 2K2他才315
就根本水火不容的 等人走了才跳出來裝是好兄弟
歐肥後來就體重失控了 狀態下滑
手套沒辦法融入三角體系,原本內線有老馬扛,結果
膝蓋爆了
有ㄉㄌ
那時候都一堆酸老大的,三夾空檔、丹佛
馬龍一路扛,可惜最後受傷沒冠軍命
KOBE就是超幸運也努力的霸球仔 贏不行要靠我贏才對
老大怎麼回應
活塞太依賴Kobe了?
kobe後來帶一堆雜魚二連霸就證明實力
04湖人的氣氛問題
怪Kobe幹嘛
馬龍也是問題好嗎
當時就爆出他調戲凡妮莎 主流媒體都在報
馬龍也是球隊氣氛問題啦
gasol在灰熊也是明星球員 怎麼去湖人就被當成雜魚了
這題老到吵不起來
以前會覺得調戲kobe老婆是不是欲加之罪
但馬龍後來的料……大學那個事件太猛了
當年我也覺得大歐自制力差,但現在認為大歐其實對自
身肥瘦認知很清楚,他的打法就是需要那些脂肪,其實
單純就是到極限了,但他嘴硬寧願讓人以為他在偷懶
Kobe退役後有跟歐肥聊過啊 他們對話內容根本沒有說
其他人的問題 就是說歐布兩人有心結沒有打開 所以
沒辦法四連霸
歐布兩人後來在鏡頭前面對面也是笑著說年少輕狂,
早就釋懷了
還好老大現在已經變成熟的男人了
樓上太地獄了
00-02都歐肥FMVP啊 維基就有的東西
誰都馬知道活塞奪冠最大功臣就是狗鼻
打法需要那些脂肪?是沒看過跟天王互爆的歐瘦嗎
歐肥如果自律 熱火後期不會長那樣
不對 自律的話湖人應該還會要他
年輕恢復力快,老了有差,連莫寧這種硬漢都要吃止痛
藥吃到腎壞掉,歐肥的打法傷不會比他少,話說俠客退
休後身材保養的很好,結果還是換人工髖關節...我超
震驚...XD
記得老漁還是誰有說Kobe覺得大家沒挺他,但其實Kob
e私下跟其他人也不往來,根本沒人知道發生什麼事
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