Re: [問卦] 台灣人挺烏克蘭是不是很奇怪的事?

其實一開始大家邏輯都很簡單啊

烏克蘭=台灣 俄羅斯=阿共
然後把情感投射到烏克蘭上面去
塔綠斑幾乎都是這樣

但是一講到美國最後沒有出兵
要大家自立自強 提供武器給烏克蘭的時候

就開始選擇性控制消息
一直塑造出烏克蘭一直勝利 爆打俄國的訊息

藉此說服台灣人 只要能自立自強
美國可以一直給你武器(可能還是要還錢的)
然後打打打打 一路爆殺解放軍

完全不去講烏克蘭到底實際死傷多少 遭受多少損失
只是在歌頌烏克蘭的勝利

因為烏克蘭=台灣 歌頌力挺烏克蘭=力挺台灣
哪天真的阿共打來 請獻出你的心臟吧! 勇敢的上戰場一路爆殺解放軍

然後問軍五塔綠斑 你有當兵嗎? 你會拿起美國的武器上戰場馬?
它們馬上會跳針 轉移話題 或者開始說"幹 根本就不會打啦"之類的言論

※ 引述《A6 (短ID真好)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《wahaha99 (此方不可長)》之銘言：
: : 唉
: : 全世界現在正在兩極化
: : 歐美為首的同盟國
: : 中俄伊為首的軸心國
: : 當然有部分在其中遊走的 如印度
: ㄟㄟ
: 你有沒有想過
: 烏克蘭現在也是在其中遊走????
: https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-ukraine-china-russia-xi-abcab63f7424cc15ef12d85aba180e7f
: Ukraine’s Zelenskyy is ‘ready’ for Chinese leader to visit
: ON A TRAIN FROM SUMY TO KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine’s president invited
: his powerful Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, to visit his nation, saying
: they haven’t been in contact since the war began and he is “ready to see
: him here.”
: “I want to speak with him,” Volodymyr Zelenskyy told The Associated Press
: on Tuesday, the week after Xi visited Russian President Vladimir Putin last: week. China had no immediate response about whether a Xi visit to Ukraine
: would happen.
: MORE COVERAGE
: – Ukraine's Zelenskyy: Any Russian victory could be perilous
: – Takeaways from AP's interview with Ukraine's Zelenskyy
: China has been economically aligned and politically favorable toward
: neighboring Russia across many decades, and Beijing has provided Putin
: diplomatic cover by staking out an official position of neutrality in the
: war. Xi, a powerful leader who commands the resources of the world’s most
: populous nation, is an important player in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, and: even China’s lack of involvement is a potent statement.
: Zelenskyy spoke to the AP aboard a train shuttling him across Ukraine, to
: cities near some of the fiercest fighting and others where his country’s
: forces have successfully repelled Russia’s invasion. Zelenskyy rarely
: travels with journalists, and the president’s office said AP’s two night
: train trip with him was the most extensive since the war began.
: Zelenskyy has extended invitations to Xi before in recent months, but this
: explicit call to visit comes days after the Chinese leader visited Putin in: Russia last week. But the Ukrainian leader said he hasn’t communicated with: Xi for the duration of the conflict.
: “We are ready to see him here,” Zelenskyy said. “I had contact with him
: before full-scale war. But during all this year, more than one year, I didn’: t have.”
: In Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning was asked whether: Xi would accept an invitation from Zelenskyy — or whether one had been
: officially extended. She told reporters she had no information to give. She: did say that Beijing maintains “communication with all parties concerned,
: including Ukraine.”
: Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, asked whether a meeting between Xi and
: Zelenskyy would be useful to resolve the conflict in Ukraine, said Russian
: authorities “highly appreciate” China’s balanced position on the issue and
: “have no right to come up with any advice” on whether the two should meet.
: “The Chinese leader himself decides the appropriateness of certain contacts,: ” Peskov said during his daily conference call with reporters Wednesday.
: In Washington, White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby
: said the United States supports talks between Xi and Zelenskyy, “and my
: goodness, we’ve been saying that for weeks.”
: Xi’s Russia visit last week raised the prospect that Beijing might be ready: to provide Moscow with the weapons and ammunition it needs to refill its
: depleted stockpile. But Xi’s trip ended without any such announcement. Days: later, Putin announced that he would be deploying tactical nuclear weapons to: Belarus, which neighbors Russia and pushes the Kremlin’s nuclear stockpile
: closer to NATO territory.
: Zelenskyy suggested Putin’s move was intended to distract from the lack of
: guarantees he received from China.
: “What does it mean? It means that the visit was not good for Russia,”
: Zelenskyy speculated.
: Ukraine’s Zelenskyy upbeat after talk with China’s Xi
: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-chernobyl-anniversary-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-1000c89ffd069cc32a32c300ea6a51ae
: KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he and
: Chinese leader Xi Jinping had a “long and meaningful” phone call Wednesday,: their first known contact since Russia invaded Ukraine over a year ago, and: Beijing appointed an envoy to pursue a “political settlement.”
: The hour-long call came two months after Beijing, which has long been aligned: with Russia, said it wanted to act as a mediator and a month after Xi visited: Moscow. The call also coincided with indications that Ukraine is readying its: forces for a spring counteroffensive.
: READ MORE
: – China says it will send peace envoy to Ukraine
: – Why China is trying to mediate in Russia's war with Ukraine
: – Chinese President Xi calls for Ukraine peace talks
: – Ukraine's Zelenskyy is 'ready' for Chinese leader to visit
: Zelenskyy was upbeat about the conversation, which offered him the chance to: insert his views into what had been a bilateral dialogue between Moscow and: Beijing. Russian President Vladimir Putin is eager to keep Xi close as a
: counterweight to the United States, which has sided with Ukraine.
: “I believe that this call, as well as the appointment of Ukraine’s
: ambassador to China, will give a powerful impetus to the development of our: bilateral relations,” Zelenskyy said on Facebook.
: An official readout on his website called the conversation “productive” and: said it leads the way toward “possible interaction with the aim of
: establishing a just and sustainable peace for Ukraine.”
: Zelenskyy emphasized the need to regain all Ukrainian lands and stated, “
: There can be no peace at the expense of territorial compromises.” In an
: indirect reference to U.S. reports that China had considered supplying
: weapons to Russia for its war, Zelenskyy’s office said he asked countries to: refrain from doing so because “any support -- even partial -- is converted
: by Russia into the continuation of its aggression, into its further rejection: of peace.” China has said it won’t supply weapons to either side in the
: conflict.
: The Chinese Foreign Ministry said Beijing’s “core stance is to facilitate
: talks for peace,” announcing that an envoy — a former ambassador to Russia
: — would visit Ukraine to seek a “political settlement.”
: The ministry’s statement struck a positive tone, giving a nod to Kyiv’s
: insistence that its territory cannot be broken up by Russia’s annexations
: and making clear that Beijing values its longstanding ties with Ukraine.
: “Mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is the political
: foundation of China-Ukraine relations,” the statement said. “China’s
: readiness to develop relations with Ukraine is consistent and clear-cut. No: matter how the international situation evolves, China will work with Ukraine: to advance mutually beneficial cooperation.”
: Analysts expressed skepticism about the prospects for peace.
: The call balances China’s dialogue with Russia by showing it is “
: recognizing Ukraine’s leadership and indicating Ukraine is an important
: entity,” said political science professor Kimberly Marten of Barnard College: at Columbia University in New York.
: But, she added in an interview with The Associated Press, unless undisclosed: details reveal otherwise, “it’s a non-starter. It’s pro-Russian. I would
: not guess that this holds a lot of significance for ending the war.”
: She noted the Chinese statement didn’t call for Russia to leave occupied
: areas or brand Russia as an aggressor, and refers to the situation as “a
: crisis, rather than a war.”
: Elizabeth Wishnick, of the U.S.-based think tank CNA and Columbia University’: s Weatherhead East Asian Institute, noted in an email to AP that the Chinese: statement about the call contains “no mention of a Russian troop withdrawal,: which, to my mind, makes this a less than serious initiative and unlikely to: contribute in any major way to ending the war, which will likely be decided: on the battlefield.”
: In Moscow, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova commended
: China’s approach, praising Beijing’s “readiness to strive to establish a
: (peace) negotiations process,” while slamming Kyiv’s “rejection of any
: sound initiatives aimed at a settlement.”
: The White House described it as a positive development, allowing Xi to hear: Ukraine’s view of the “illegal, unprovoked invasion.”
: “We think that’s a good thing,” White House National Security Council
: spokesman John Kirby said.
: Talks between the two leaders had been anticipated for weeks, after China
: produced a 12-point proposal to end the fighting, although it did not contain: details.
: Russia and Ukraine are far apart in their terms for peace. The Kremlin wants: Kyiv to acknowledge Russia’s annexation of the Crimean Peninsula and the
: Ukrainian provinces of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia, which most: nations have denounced as illegal. Ukraine has rejected the demands and ruled: out any talks with Russia until its troops pull back from all occupied
: territories.
: Zelenskyy said in an interview with the AP last month that he hadn’t spoken: with Xi since the war began and invited him to visit Ukraine.
: China has announced it was keen to act as mediator in the war that has
: reenergized NATO. Xi’s position reinforces China’s claim that it’s neutral
: in the war, despite blocking U.N. efforts to condemn the Kremlin’s invasion.: While Zelenskyy has moved his country closer to NATO and persuaded alliance: members to send Ukraine sophisticated weapons to help defeat Russia, Beijing: has echoed the Kremlin line in accusing the West of provoking the conflict
: and “fanning the flames” by arming Kyiv.
: When China called in February for a cease-fire and peace talks between
: Ukraine and Russia, Zelenskyy cautiously welcomed Beijing’s involvement but: said success would depend on actions, not words.
: Putin warmly welcomed Xi to the Kremlin, in what was seen as a powerful
: message to Western leaders that their efforts to isolate Moscow over the
: fighting in Ukraine have fallen short.
: Also on Wednesday, Zelenskyy used the 37th anniversary of the world’s worst: nuclear disaster at Chernobyl to repeat his warnings about the threat of a
: new atomic catastrophe during his country’s war with Russia.
: Zelenskyy drew a parallel between the Chernobyl accident on April 26, 1986,: to Moscow’s brief seizure of that plant and its radiation-contaminated
: exclusion zone following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
: “Last year, the occupier not only seized the (Chernobyl) nuclear power
: plant, but also endangered the entire world again,” Zelenskyy said in a
: Telegram post in English.
: In other developments Wednesday:
: —Ukrainian and Russian officials announced the latest prisoner exchange,
: saying 44 Ukrainian and 40 Russian POWs were released this week. The head of: the Ukrainian presidential office, Andriy Yermak, said on Telegram that the: Ukrainians included soldiers, sailors, border and national guards, and two
: civilians.
: —The head of the southeastern Zaporizhzhia Regional Military Administration,: Yurii Malashko, said Russia struck 19 civilian areas with 53 artillery
: attacks, six rocket attacks, seven drone attacks and one airstrike overnight.: —At least two civilians were killed and 13 others were wounded in Ukraine
: since Tuesday, the presidential office said.
: —An Italian journalist in Ukraine, Corrado Zunino, was injured and his
: interpreter Bogdan Bitik killed in the southern city of Kherson. Zunino, a
: correspondent for La Repubblica daily, told the newspaper he suspected
: Russian snipers hit him after passing through Ukrainian-manned checkpoints.: ___
: 阿基師 都要邀請習近平到烏克蘭去了
: 然後你非要說他們是敵對????
: 蝦???
: : 還有一些真的干他屁事的
: : 但先進重要國家 如G8 G20
: : 都是這樣
: : 我不知道八卦是不是同溫層抱團太久
: : 還是只會看垃圾新聞 72新聞
: : 只會從大中天三民自接收訊息
: : 連現在世界變成怎樣都不知道了
: 你在公沙米
: 你是不是不會看外電阿???
: 還是你看不懂英文????
: 台灣沒報導 外面有報導好嗎
: 還是你以為三民自以外都是不可信紅媒阿
: 就算是美國媒體??
: : 當然 再早個兩年
: : 我也不會說敵人的敵人就是朋友
: : 但
: : 這樣的時代已經來了
: : 未來就是必須要選邊站
: : 不過既然大家都活在平行時空
: : 我也沒有什麼辦法
: : 替我向平行時空的我問好
: : 謝謝
: 我們真的是在平行空間阿
: 人家邀中國過去訪問
: 結果你那邊是敵對
: 可能你那邊川普連任惹吧
: ㄎㄎ

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