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EZ78
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前言還是老樣子

不會看球隊適性
年紀選秀日為準
然後他也一如往常這時間點不會列入超過第50名的大學新鮮人 因為他覺得他們該回學校

(身高我用Excel轉的怪怪的 所以就沒貼)

1 Cooper Flagg Duke W/F 18
2 Dylan Harper Rutgers G 19
3 Ace Bailey Rutgers W 18
4 V.J. Edgecombe Baylor G 19
5 Kasparas Jakucionis Illinois G 19
6 Kon Knueppel Duke W 19
7 Liam McNeeley Connecticut W 19
8 Derik Queen Maryland C 20
9 Collin Murray-Boyles South Carolina W/F 19
10 Tre Johnson Texas G 19
11 Jase Richardson Michigan State G 19
12 Khaman Maluach Duke C 19
13 Asa Newell Georgia F/C 19
14 Nolan Traore Saint-Quentin G 19
15 Ben Saraf Ratiopharm Ulm G 19
16 Thomas Sorber Georgetown C 19
17 Jeremiah Fears Oklahoma G 18
18 Hugo Gonzalez Real Madrid W 19
19 Carter Bryant Arizona W/F 19
20 Rasheer Fleming St. Joseph's F 20
21 Egor Demin BYU G 19
22 Noah Penda Le Mans F 20
23 Joan Beringer Cedevita C 18
24 Miles Byrd San Diego State W 20
25 Danny Wolf Michigan F/C 21
26 Johni Broome Auburn C 22
27 Noa Essengue Ratiopharm Ulm F 18
28 Kam Jones Marquette G 23
29 Labaron Philon Alabama G 19
30 Alex Karaban Connecticut W/F 22
31 Alex Toohey Sydney W/F 21
32 Sergio De Larrea Valencia W 19
33 Bogoljub Markovic Mega F 19
34 Adou Thiero Arkansas W 20
35 Nique Clifford Colorado State W 22
36 JoJo Tugler Houston F/C 20
37 Tyrese Proctor Duke G 21
38 Braden Smith Purdue G 21
39 Ryan Kalkbrenner Creighton C 23
40 Max Shulga VCU W 22
41 Isaiah Evans Duke W 19
42 Ian Jackson North Carolina G 20
43 Boogie Fland Arkansas G 18
44 Cedric Coward Washington State F 22
45 Milos Uzan Houston G 22
46 Tahaad Pettiford Auburn G 19
47 Walter Clayton Jr. Florida G 22
48 K.J. Lewis Arizona G 20
49 Will Riley Illinois W 19
50 Alex Condon Florida F/C 20
51 Rocco Zikarsky Brisbane C 18
52 Jamir Watkins Florida State W 23
53 Chaz Lanier Tennessee G 23
54 Wesley Yates III USC G 20
55 Josh Dix Iowa W 21
56 Tomislav Ivisic Illinois C 21
57 Hunter Sallis Wake Forest G 22
58 Ben Henshall Perth G 21
59 Dink Pate Mexico City Capitanes G 19
60 Darrion Williams Texas Tech W/F 22
61 Ryan Conwell Xavier G 21
62 Yaxel Lendeborg UAB W/F 22
63 Sion James Duke G 22
64 Maxime Raynaud Stanford C 22
65 Alijah Martin Florida G 23
66 Terrance Arceneaux Houston W 21
67 Anthony Robinson Missouri G 20
68 Johann Grunloh Rasta Vechta F/C 19
69 Michael Ruzic Joventut F 18
70 Kadary Richmond St. John's G 23
71 J.T. Toppin Texas Tech F/C 20
72 Micah Peavy Georgetown W 23
73 Eric Dailey Jr. UCLA W/F 21
74 Chase Hunter Clemson G 24
75 Mark Sears Alabama G 23
76 Jaland Lowe Pittsburgh G 20
77 Xaivian Lee Princeton G 21
78 Dailyn Swain Xavier W 19
79 Vladislav Goldin Michigan C 24
80 Hansen Yang Qingdao C 19
81 Donovan Dent New Mexico G 21
82 John Tonje Wisconsin W/F 24
83 Andrej Stojakovic California W 20
84 Nolan Winter Wisconsin C 20
85 Brooks Barnhizer Northwestern W 23
86 Amari Williams Kentucky C 23
87 Joshua Jefferson Iowa State W/F 21
88 R.J. Luis St. Johns W 22
89 Koby Brea Kentucky W/F 22
90 Izan Almansa G League Ignite F 20
91 Thomas Haugh Florida W/F 20
92 Zvonimir Ivisic Arkansas C 21
93 Otega Oweh Kentucky W 22
94 Ryan Nembhard Gonzaga G 22
95 Eric Dixon Villanova F 24
96 Neoklis Avdalas Peristeri W/F 19
97 Desmond Claude USC G 22
98 John Poulakidas Yale W 23
99 Jaxson Robinson Kentucky W 22
100 Payton Sandfort Iowa W 21

Cooper Flagg | 6-9 freshman wing | Duke | 18 years old | No. 1

It’s hard to overemphasize how dominant Flagg has been in ACC play. The
youngest draft prospect in the class, Flagg would be my current pick for
national player of the year at just 18 years old. In conference play, he’s
averaging 22 points, seven rebounds and four assists with a two-to-one
assist-to-turnover ratio. He’s shooting 53 percent from the field, 44
percent from 3 and 85 percent from the line. He’s still one of the best
defensive players in the country, and his competitive fire showcases itself
at every moment possible. With all due respect to Auburn and Flagg’s primary
competition for national player of the year, Johni Broome, Duke is the team Iwould pick to win the title if I had to choose one today.

你很難再去放大Flagg在ACC的比賽表現多麼有統治力。雖然本屆最年輕的新秀之一,但18歲的Flagg已經是我今年全國最佳球員的人選了。在聯盟內的比賽,他場均22分7籃板4助攻還有著2:1的助攻失誤比。他投籃命中率53%三分球命中率44%並罰球命中率85%。他還是全國最佳的防守球員之一且他的熾熱的競爭心在每一個時刻都嶄露無遺。雖然我對Auburn大學及與Flagg全國最佳球員的主要競爭者Johni Broome表示敬意,但Duke才是如果我今天非要選擇一支球隊贏下冠軍的那支球隊。

We’ve never seen a player this young dominate college basketball quite like
this, with this ruthless efficiency, sharp passing and dominant shot creationfrom all three levels as a wing. Zion Williamson was unstoppable going to therim, and Anthony Davis was as good defensively as a prospect has ever been incollege hoops. But Flagg’s ability to combine all of this into one player
who can get to his spots from all three levels is unfathomable. The absurd
thing is that he keeps getting better as the season goes on.

我們從未見過一名像他如此年輕並能統治大學籃球的球員,有如此無情的效率、敏銳的傳球與在三個層級(投籃、三分、罰球)有統治力的投籃創造能力。Zion Williamson在衝擊籃框方面無人能擋,Anthony Davis則是有史以來防守最好的新秀。但Flagg能夠將所有這些特質融合到一個球員身上, 他可以從三個層面到達他的位置,這種能力令人難以置信。無理的是,隨著賽季的進行,他的表現卻越來越好。

I wrote at length earlier this month about Flagg. Those thoughts remain true.He’s the clear No. 1 pick in the draft, and there will be no competition.
The NBA Draft Lottery on May 12 is officially the Capture the Flagg
sweepstakes, and whoever gets that pick is getting a franchise-altering
talent whose presence will change the trajectory of their organization. He’s
elite on the court, but beyond that, his competitive character, toughness andsole desire to win basketball games will give you a culture to build your
organization around for the coming decade.

這個月初我寫了關於Flagg的長文。那些想法依然維持正確。他是本屆選秀顯而易見的狀元,而且他將不會有任何競爭。5/12的NBA樂透抽籤正式成為一個"奪旗"的抽獎活動,而無論誰取得第一順位都將獲得一位能夠改變球隊命運的天才球員,他的存在將改變球隊的發展路線。他在球場上表現出色,但除此之外,他的競爭性格、堅韌不拔的精神以及對贏得籃球比賽的唯一渴望將為你在未來十年建立球隊提供一種文化。

V.J. Edgecombe | 6-5 freshman guard | Baylor | 20 years old | No. 4

Edgecombe has figured things out in Big 12 play even as Baylor stumbles as
one of the more disappointing teams in the country. Over his last 13 games, he’s averaging 17.5 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.6 assists while playing tough
defense and shooting 47 percent from the field, 39 percent from 3 and 87
percent from the line. As Edgecombe’s shot has started to fall at a more
consistent level — he was a 40 percent shooter off the catch in high school
from 3 in both of his seasons at Long Island Lutheran — the rest of his game
has blossomed. He’s become more consistent attacking the rim and finding
different little ways into successful paint touches and scores.

雖然Baylor是全國最令人失望的球隊之一,但Edgecombe卻越打越好並適應Big 12聯盟。在他過去的13場比賽中,他場均17.5分4.5籃板3.6助攻同時打著強硬的防守並有著47%的投籃命中率39%的三分命中率及87%的罰球命中率。雖然Edgecombe的投射冷卻了下來--他在LongIsland Lutheran高中時2季僅是是個40%的C&S三分射手--他比賽中其餘的部分開花結果。他攻擊籃框方面變得更加穩定並能找出一些小縫隙造出成功的禁區觸球與得分。

That, along with the rest of the class continuing to live down to relative
expectations, has vaulted him to the clear No. 4 spot. But questions persist
about his game. Scouts are very interested to see how he’ll measure in
Chicago at the NBA Draft Combine. Listed at 6-foot-5, most evaluators have a
degree of skepticism that he hits that mark. On top of that, most of Edgecombe’s consistent sources of success this year have come off the ball as opposed
to being the primary playmaker. Questions remain about his left hand off the
bounce. He also hasn’t dealt particularly well with heavy ball pressure when
acting as a primary option.

隨著同屆其他人相對不符一開始的期望(Jakucionis及一些其他人),他也一躍成為當之無愧的第4名。但他的球賽中仍存在一些疑問。球探們非常有興趣看看他在芝加哥的NBA選秀聯合試訓中會表現如何。他的身高表列6'5",但大多數評估者對他是否真的有這身高存在一定的疑問。除此之外,Edgecombe本季目前的成功都來自無球而非作為主要的Playmaker。對於他左手運球能力仍有許多疑問。面對高強度防守時,作為主攻點的表現也並不理想。

Still, it’s hard to see Edgecombe as anything other than fairly safe in this
class. He’s a terrific defender with all sorts of athleticism and quickness.
He’s a serious playmaker on that end, averaging two steals per game to go
with nearly one block per game on the season. He’s also extremely tough on
the ball because of his athleticism and strength. It’s hard to go through
his chest even though he’s not enormous. The jumper doesn’t always look
consistent, but the ball goes in the hoop, and he’s an awesome free-throw
shooter for being a freshman. It’s easy to envision Edgecombe getting early
minutes just as a 3-and-D style guard, then allowing him to use that as a
base to build the rest of the on-ball skills. Even if those need work,
sources across basketball rave about his work ethic and effort levels.

儘管如此,你很難不認為Edgecombe在這屆是相對安全的。他是個出色的防守者並擁有出色的體能與敏捷度。他在防守端是個真正的Playmaker,本紀場均2抄截並接近1火鍋。由於他的運動能力和力量他也可以對球造成很大的壓力。雖然他並不大隻,但你很難穿越他的胸膛。他的跳投看起來並不總是那麼穩定,但球確實能進得了籃筐,作為一名新生,他的罰球命中率非常出色。很容易想像Edgecombe會以3D型後衛的身份早早獲得上場時間,然後以此為基礎培養其他對球技巧。儘管這些還需要改進,但籃球界對他的職業道德和努力程度讚不絕口。

Maybe he ends up just being a super high-end athlete who is a 3-and-D guard.
If that’s the case, he probably wouldn’t return the commensurate value with
the No. 4 pick. But if that’s really the worst-case scenario (and I think it
is), with his upside for more given his truly elite athleticism that will
place him in the top 5 percent of all NBA players, it’s probably worth going
for it within the top five. I don’t expect Edgecombe to fall outside of that
range on my final board given his successful close to the season.

或許他最終只會成為一個高運動能力的3-D後衛。如果是這樣的話他可能無法回報第4順位的價值。但如果是最糟糕的情況(我認為是這樣),考慮到他真正優秀的運動能力,他的潛力將使他躋身所有NBA球員的前5%,所以進入前五名可能還是值得的。考慮到Edgecombe在本賽季末取得的成功,我預計他的最終排名不會超出這個範圍。


(剩下的我看情況要不要翻XD)

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nsbgm 02/28 10:35希望巫師能奪旗成功

sustainer12302/28 10:36爵士該拿第一個屬於自己的狀元吧

EZ78 02/28 10:37爵士不是應該等明年BYU的Dybantsa嗎 今年選個Demin

EZ78 02/28 10:37XD

ken1825 02/28 10:38NCAA天才很多,真的有打出來的不多,尤其是狀元XD

dash007 02/28 10:38德明掉得不少啊XD用狼籤就能選

EZ78 02/28 10:40天才很多 進NBA才blah blah blah=廢話

ecoli0608 02/28 10:40想請教W是哪個位子啊?

dash007 02/28 10:40話說AJD也不一定是狀元就是了,如果進了大學沒什麼

EZ78 02/28 10:41W=Wing 側翼 大部分就是2-3號位搖擺人

tim19990312 02/28 10:41爵士順位選demin很浪費吧 根本不是樂透的料

dash007 02/28 10:41進步,被Peterson甚至boozer超越也不是沒可能

EZ78 02/28 10:41沒啦 我純粹是玩一下BYU直升爵士而已

tim19990312 02/28 10:42大部分nba主力不都ncaa的天才 奇葩言論

dash007 02/28 10:42Peterson雖然身材較AJD劣勢,但我看他對自己的要求

EZ78 02/28 10:42Demin是真的 不太優

dash007 02/28 10:42還有自律超強的

tim19990312 02/28 10:43今年選秀狀況:flagg | | harper | 其他

tim19990312 02/28 10:45will riley不知道會不會選 挺喜歡他

EZ78 02/28 10:45我直到現在都沒很喜歡Bailey 但其他人掉更兇

EZ78 02/28 10:45我自己(有私心)是覺得他有機會首輪末

EZ78 02/28 10:45找機會的能力有隨著賽季進行變好

tim19990312 02/28 10:46bailey在大部分媒體榜單還在前三 代表大眾對這種類

tim19990312 02/28 10:46型還是很迷戀

tim19990312 02/28 10:46那我私心更重 我排18~24 lol

dash007 02/28 10:47現在我追蹤byu的比賽,都覺得學長Richie Saunders

dash007 02/28 10:48表現得還比Demin像個待選新秀.......

EZ78 02/28 10:48畢竟開季太慘了XD 三分也都不太穩定 投的量也不大

EZ78 02/28 10:49但考量他也是跳級生就 也沒辦法

EZ78 02/28 10:50Demin就季中那波投籃大撞牆之後我就沒信心了

※ 編輯: EZ78 (104.176.138.216 美國), 02/28/2025 10:51:57

tim19990312 02/28 10:55"只會成為一個高運動能力的3-D後衛"

tim19990312 02/28 10:55就算只是這樣也對得起第四順位了吧

EZ78 02/28 10:56就是個 大部分人期望還是那種未來核心

tim19990312 02/28 10:56普通強度的年份能出幾個明星

dash007 02/28 10:57VJ相較於季初也是愈打愈好了,感覺得到進步,我覺得

EZ78 02/28 10:57但可能最終他就變成Okoro plus那種感覺

EZ78 02/28 10:57即使這樣其實也沒愧對順位就是了

dash007 02/28 10:57最後也不是沒機會變探花,他就是控球待加強

tim19990312 02/28 10:57vj確實進步很多 但他進階持球技巧還是非常稚嫩

tim19990312 02/28 10:57所以我真的不會對他能成為明星抱太大期待

tim19990312 02/28 10:58但前五拿他不會有意見

EZ78 02/28 11:00主要還是其他人掉下去了 Edgecombe/Jakucionis後面

EZ78 02/28 11:00也有一個不小的gap

EZ78 02/28 11:00Queen這種窮人版Randle我完全沒愛

dash007 02/28 11:01這版的Kon也在很高的位置...不知道是不是Kon對上強

dash007 02/28 11:02隊終於沒像以前那樣誇張所以才提升(但好像也沒什麼

tim19990312 02/28 11:02但queen這種一定能打到球 而且很難壞掉

dash007 02/28 11:02特別突出就是了),倒是一樣很會虐菜

tim19990312 02/28 11:03他比randle更懂得怎麼打籃球 雖然強度比不上

EZ78 02/28 11:03倒是沒錯 但就是 很沒夢想這樣

EZ78 02/28 11:04他視野跟球商是比Randle好很多 但就 我不相信他能5

ClownT 02/28 11:04Harper似乎也滿穩的 榜眼

tim19990312 02/28 11:04裸足好像6'8"而已吧 偏慘

tim19990312 02/28 11:05喔還有一點是queen是大齡freshman 比flagg大兩歲

dash007 02/28 11:05而且Queen好像沒三分,這樣轉其他位置也不利

ecoli0608 02/28 11:06爵士應該會再選天賦不是位子吧!畢竟還要再坦一季!

EZ78 02/28 11:07Harper有一部分是Vecenie很愛他

EZ78 02/28 11:07然後沒那麼愛Ace Bailey

EZ78 02/28 11:08但Playmaker比純Finisher有更好看的賣相也是正常

Myosotis 02/28 11:08Rutgers 現在打爆 Michigan ==

Myosotis 02/28 11:08如果要選本屆第一射手的話

Myosotis 02/28 11:09我個人會把 Tre Johnson 擺在更前面

Myosotis 02/28 11:09至少會 > Kon Knueppel & Liam McNeeley

Myosotis 02/28 11:10Tre Johnson 昨天39分 三圍 50% 63% 100%

dash007 02/28 11:11哇喔,Michigan不是wolf所在的球隊?排名前25

EZ78 02/28 11:11半場而已啦

trauma 02/28 11:11選秀2,3名在同一隊 想必三月瘋看的到他們....吧XD

Myosotis 02/28 11:11他個人技巧比後兩者好多了 能擔任第一攻擊手

EZ78 02/28 11:11Tre Johnson主要是Upside比其他兩個好吧

EZ78 02/28 11:11其他兩個就是很聰明的純射手

EZ78 02/28 11:12但Tre我覺得還沒到可以Playmaking是個疑慮 比較是純

EZ78 02/28 11:12得分手

Myosotis 02/28 11:12對所以 KK 和 Liam 這兩個偏綠葉的是如何得到炒作的

tim19990312 02/28 11:13我也覺得他是純scorer

Myosotis 02/28 11:13儘管有名義上的大小年之分 但還有一個東西可以鑑別

Myosotis 02/28 11:14該年第一射手的實際順位 越靠後面的 整年會越多真貨

EZ78 02/28 11:16這倒是真的 畢竟射手算是每年都有的東西

EZ78 02/28 11:16那種體能不好的白人射手 常常最好就是長得像Kennard

tim19990312 02/28 11:17那20真大年 我當初認為bane是該年第一射手

tim19990312 02/28 11:17雖然他掉到30也很弔詭

EZ78 02/28 11:17我覺得他已經算是好到一個極致了 但應該還是不少人

EZ78 02/28 11:17覺得他與順位能力不符

Myosotis 02/28 11:18大部分的年份 #10~#14 至少會有一個射手位置

EZ78 02/28 11:18但到這屆他可能就不是那種1X順位了

tim19990312 02/28 11:18大眾把潛力看太高了

Myosotis 02/28 11:19所以這屆 前10你擺3個可能是射手的我會覺得有點那個

tim19990312 02/28 11:19hollinger有統計平均一屆整個生涯貢獻高於可替代水

tim19990312 02/28 11:19準的大約20人而已

Myosotis 02/28 11:19Bane 年齡 和 TCU 小學校 多少影響了身價

EZ78 02/28 11:19我覺得這屆本來就小年 多了Flagg+幾個跳級才沒那麼

EZ78 02/28 11:20難看

tim19990312 02/28 11:21對 我主要是想幫bane平反而已

tim19990312 02/28 11:21flagg沒跳 那明年真的要歷史級大年

tim19990312 02/28 11:22可惜他跳了 stokes也沒意願跳

Myosotis 02/28 11:24Miikka Muurinen 不知道要不要跳 他2007的 可以跳

EZ78 02/28 11:25歐洲人比較沒有跳級的問題吧我記得

EZ78 02/28 11:26主要還是他們想不想早點來

tim19990312 02/28 11:26他在美國打球

Myosotis 02/28 11:27他在美國啊 AZ Compass Prep

EZ78 02/28 11:27喔 居然 我看到歐洲名字我以為是青年隊的

Myosotis 02/28 11:27C/o 2026 No.4

EZ78 02/28 11:27我關注基本上最多到高四那屆XD

tim19990312 02/28 11:28mccoy其實也07的 但沒很看好他

Myosotis 02/28 11:28芬蘭人

Myosotis 02/28 11:30NCAA最近要幹走一堆歐洲人 意大利U18要被挖走三隻了

Myosotis 02/28 11:30其中 7'3" 的 Luigi Suigo 是你家 illinois 的目標

tim19990312 02/28 11:31義大利不是有個確定要去Illinois了

tim19990312 02/28 11:31另一個剛探訪完 不過高機率也是會去

Myosotis 02/28 11:31前幾天剛拿意甲青年盃MVP

tim19990312 02/28 11:32其實先來ncaa也不錯 提早認知適不適合美國球風

tim19990312 02/28 11:32也不會浪費彼此時間

EZ78 02/28 11:33現在NCAA半職業化之後歐洲人來過水的意願變高很多

EZ78 02/28 11:33Illinois算是其中的佼佼者吧 我們已經沒那麼認真在

EZ78 02/28 11:33挖美國國內的高潛力了 轉往海外+轉學生居多

Myosotis 02/28 11:35去年的國際新生死了一票 今年好一點

ihx00 02/28 11:45能撿個Johni Broome 也不錯,感覺可以隨插即用

youtoo 02/28 11:52Demin就是需要練,可能是這屆的福袋,就看被哪隊選

youtoo 02/28 11:52走會差很多

Myosotis 02/28 12:11Michigan 壓哨絕殺 Rutgers

dash007 02/28 12:20哇喔,最後居然追上了嗎

FAYeeeeeeee 02/28 12:48第一射手這個論點挺有趣的

mingao 02/28 20:22Fear跟第一版比起來掉了不少,是ATo很差的原因嗎?

Myosotis 02/28 21:03他表現起伏太大

dash007 02/28 21:46Noa Essengue也掉不少