Re: [問卦] reddit:同情台灣小孩，缺乏童年不像小孩（文長）

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moshenisshit

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單純就七、八年級生變父母，

不但沒有終結他們父母輩帶給他們的童年陰影，

還變本加厲加了更多陰影給九、十、十一年級生啊。

七、八年級生小時候整天抱怨填鴨教育，

從早上七點到學校，放學補習到晚上十點很可憐，

結果當自己變父母卻不是讓子女有個快樂童年，

而是從兩、三歲開始塞滿才藝課狂操小孩。

我記得兩三年就有新聞，

是爸媽秀出小孩暑假的才藝課課程表，

還很自豪自己讓小孩贏在起跑點三小的。

所以啊，真正對下一代最好的，

反而是那些根本不把小孩帶來這痛苦世界的不生族。

※ 引述《usnavyseal (usmarine2008)》之銘言：
: https://tinyurl.com/2s492h44
: 在reddit 台灣版看到
: https://i.imgur.com/dUywBOZ.png

: Recently started teaching English to kill time. But damn I do feel sympathy: for Taiwanese kids.
: 最近開始教英文來打發時間，但該死的，我同情台灣的孩童
:
: During a class activity, I asked them to write a dairy/journal.
: They wrote things they dont believe in Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus. They wrote
: they prefer to play with their dog because parents dont care about them.
: Then, there is the Taiwanese education system, which makes them memorize
: things instead of expanding their imagination. After school they have to go: to cram school and study till 9 Do they even get a childhood?
: I first started teaching cause I was bored, but now I find myself giving my: all to make it fun for them and giving chocolate for the ones who do well.
: I wish Taiwanese culture could let children be children a bit more.
: My opinion could be a come from a naive/arrogant view as I never lived a
: harsh childhood like these kids.
: Edit: I will clarify chocolate for those who do well, not as in academically: but as in a way for them to talk more instead. They get points for enjoyment: and make different takes on answers. Each participation gives a point, and
: they get the candy over certain points, etc...
: Edit 2: No, I am not from a family that believes in Christmas or Santa
: clause. They were used as an example for kids not knowing good holidays.
: Yeah, you guys and have lunar new year, but kids get loads of useless
: homework over that time.
: Edit 3: I know my naivete. I have a degree in aviation. I fly planes, not
: here to teach. I originally came here for my gf, and yes. I am well aware I: came from a very blessed life compared to most. Thats why in my class, I try: not to discipline harshly but make them understand why they are wrong
: instead. I was beaten a lot as a kid, and I would never want the same for
: future children.
: Edit 4: I am not oblivious that this only happens in Taiwan, but since atm my
: experience is here hence the topic. it's generally linked to Asian cultures.: Edit 5: I am not white. I am of Asian descent. I understand my naivety, I am: just ranting. As in my childhood, even though moved overseas, I experienced: something similar to what many asian kids go through.
: 在課上，我讓他們寫日記
: 他們寫下，不相信牙仙或是聖誕老人
: （編輯2：我來自不相信聖誕老人的家庭，只是用這個當作例子，過年期間，孩童
: 有一堆作業）
: 他們寧可跟他們的狗玩，因為父母不在乎他們
: 再來是台灣的教育制度，與其讓他們發揮想像力，他們得死記硬背
: 放學後，他們要去上補習班到9點
: 他們有過童年嗎
:
: 我一開始開始教書，因為我很無聊，但我發現自己盡力地讓孩童們覺得有趣
: 給表現好的人巧克力
: （編輯1：不是只給功課好的人，是希望他們多講些話，課上參與可以得到分數）
: 我希望台灣的文化可以讓孩童更像孩童一點
: （編輯4：我知道這不只發生在台灣，但因為我現在在台灣，所以這個話題跟亞洲有關）
: 我的觀點可能來來自一個傲慢/天真的人，因為我從來沒有像那些孩童一樣
: 經歷嚴酷的童年
: （編輯3：我知道我很天真，我有航空的學位，我開飛機，不是專職在教學
: 來是因為我女友的關係，我也知道跟其他人比，我來自一個比較美好的家庭
: 因為我以前也被打過，所以我儘量他們有愛的教育，希望不要再經歷過類似的）
: 編輯5：我也不是白人，我有亞洲血統，我知道我的天真，我只是在抱怨
: 雖然我的童年在海外，卻也跟亞洲孩童經歷過的相似
:
: 網友回覆，選4個最熱門的
: 第1個留言
: https://i.imgur.com/aW58Zhp.png

: I went through that childhood. I can understand my parents. They simply don’
: t want me to be left behind. So they overcorrect, I started writing
: characters in kindergarten and could read a lot of kid’s science
: illustration books by then. I started learning English since 1st grade most: didn’t start until junior high or 4th grade. And they heard “everyone” wa
s
: learning piano so naturally they wanted me to take those lessons but
: elementary me said firmly no (don’t know why).
: I will not let my children go through that. But I also hear a lot of parents: had my sentiment but once their kids begin junior high, it becomes harder to: keep that sentiment.
: I do believe though, what parents can do is not to stuff materials down kids: ’ throat. I would strive to teach them good life habits that will not go out
: of fashion, how to deal with emotions, how to listen and communicate, etc. I: hope I can impart enough of my experience so that they can deal with any
: obstacle, have passion and enjoy life.
: 我經歷過類似的童年，我可以理解我的父母，他們不希望我進度落後，所以會過度矯正: 幼稚園時，我開始會寫字，可以讀很多科學繪本，到了一年級，我開始學英文，而多數人
: 是到國中或四年級才開始。當他們發現「大家」都在學鋼琴是他們也希望我學，但不知: 為何，才國小的我堅定地拒絕了
: 我不會讓我的小孩經歷我的童年，我聽說很多父母跟我有相同的想法，但一旦小孩上了: 國中，越來越難保有初衷
: 我仍然相信，父母能做的是不要強迫孩子接受東西，我會經歷教導他們不會過時的
: 生活習慣，如何跟情緒相處，如何傾聽和溝通，我希望可以傳授足夠的經驗，應對各種: 困難，並有熱情地享受生活
: 第2個留言
: https://i.imgur.com/nTvLK4j.png

: 作者有回答的問題跳過
: "Then, there is the Taiwanese education system, which makes them memorize
: things instead of expanding their imagination."
: 台灣填鴨式的教育，無法發揮想像力
:
: Because many teachers lack either the ability or willingness (or sometimes
: both) to "expand their imagination." Trust me, many of them don't even teach: children how to memorize things effectively.
: 大部分的老師缺少能力或是懶得（有時候兩者都有），「發揮他們的想像力」
: 相信我，很多時候他們甚至不知如何教孩童有效率地背東西
:
: "After school they have to go to cram school and study till 9 Do they even get
: a childhood?"
: 參加補習班到9點，缺少童年
:
: That would be another problem.
: Many parents have to work long hours and don't have much time to take care of
: them. So they send their kids to cram schools so at least someone would keep: an eye on their children for them.
: And some other parents are just obsessed with the idea of some sort of
: "studying hard→getting into a good high school/college→getting a good job
→
: become rich→wonderful life" stuff. After all, that myth has been deeply
: rooted in Chinese culture for over 1400 years.
: 這是另一個問題
: 多數父母工時長，沒時間照顧小孩，所以只好送他們去補習班，至少有人可以照顧他們: 而其他父母很在意「努力讀書 → 申請到好的高中/大學 → 找到好工作 → 變有錢
: → 有美好的人生」
: 畢竟這個神話已在中國的文化深根蒂固了1400年
:
: 第3個留言
: https://i.imgur.com/DkBb37y.png

: My parents made great sacrifices so that I could be educated abroad, for the: various reasons that you’ve observed.
: In the days of the Joint College Entrance Examinations, how you did in the
: exams determined what school and course you went to (about a 22-26%
: acceptance rate, apparently), and therefore what you can achieve in life. To: get into a good college, you must therefore go to a good high school that can
: best prepare you for the exam, which means you must therefore go to a good
: grade school, and so on. It was an arms race for the few good white collar
: jobs available on the island.
: Part of it was of course financial, but part of it was also a cultural
: disdain for the “black hands” (烏手 in Taiwanese, as in black with grease)
: jobs in factories and repair shops. Taiwanese parents broadly believed that: education was the way out of poverty.
: My understanding is that things have improved a bit with reforms since my
: time, but there are still plenty of vestiges left, and lots of childhoods
: robbed. The relatively lower stress once you finally made it into college
: resulted in the joking transliteration 由你玩四年 (fool around for four
: years) of the English word “university.”
: Thanks for caring about them.
: 就如你所觀察到的，我的父母做了很大的犧牲讓我可以出國讀書
: 在大學聯考的年代，考試的成績決定你去哪間學校/科系（差不多22%–26%的錄取率）
: ，也定了你在人生的成就
: 因此，為了能上好的大學，得要去好的高中幫你準備考試，這也代表你得上好的小學
: 這是一場軍備競賽，目的是進入島上少數的白領職缺
:
: 其中一部分跟收入有關，但也有一部分跟對工廠和修理廠的文化歧視有關
: （台灣人口中的「黑手」，油油黑黑的），大多數的父母覺得教育是脫離貧困的道路
: 我的理解是，隨著改革，情況有所改善，但仍然有很多殘留的，多數孩童的時光被剝奪了
: 一旦進入大學，低壓的環境導致學生用「由你玩四年」音譯英文的 "university"
:
: 感謝關心台灣的孩童
: 第4個留言
: https://i.imgur.com/g787tt0.png

: Many people in this thread miss the point. Just ask the students what their: hobbies are. At best you get some sport or playing a certain instrument. Note
: the singularity of the replies. They are so busy, they have no time to know: themselves, or what they might be interested in. Best example is learning
: English. I've seen pages of English terms they have to memorize, even though: the majority of them will never use these words and neither do I. At the same
: time most students can't hold a conversation past "Hi, what's your name,
: where do you come from, how old are you". Less volume, more depth would help: a lot. More free time to learn social skills and develop a personality would: benefit those students more than an additional x-amount of home work hours.: 很多人在這個討論串都忽略這點，只要問學生們，他們的興趣是什麼，最多只會說某種: 運動或是樂器，注意回答中特別的答案
: 學生們很忙，沒時間認識自己，或是了解自己有興趣的，最好例子是學英文的時候，
: 我看過他們要背的單字，很多他們根本用不到，連我也沒在用
: 同時，他們的英文對話僅限於，「你好，你的名字是、你來自哪、你幾歲了」
: 少一點單字，更深的內容會很大的幫助，更多空閒時間讓孩子學習社交能力，培養個性: 會比 x小時的功課更有益
:
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a96932000 04/24 16:29所以一堆人不生了呀~

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squelch 04/24 16:30七年級有一半未婚連小孩都沒

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kasim15 04/24 16:34塞什麼課都無所謂只要有房可以給孩子

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kasim15 04/24 16:34就是好父母

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key555102 04/24 16:40就階級複製啊我8開頭的以前也是那樣

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key555102 04/24 16:41早上6點補習班 7半到校放學再到補習班

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kingstongyu 04/24 16:41才藝課不是學業ㄟ~~對升學沒幫助

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key555102 04/24 16:41而且還在補習班到11-12點再回家自習

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key555102 04/24 16:42不過我家窮所以這都是其他同學的經驗

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key555102 04/24 16:42那時候父母往死裡打補習班也往死裡打

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key555102 04/24 16:43順帶一提沒有才藝的全都國英數

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key555102 04/24 16:44進度比學校還快不是唸書就是考試

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