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看板Gossiping標題Re: [新聞] 烏克蘭稱前線告急作者
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(短ID真好)
時間推噓 9 推:9 噓:0 →:10

※ 引述《a40494 (田埂牧者)》之銘言:
: 現在請用你的搜尋軟體
: 輸入「烏軍告捷」等等的關鍵字
: 大部分都會跳出來這些
: https://i.imgur.com/pOY0Xyc.jpeg

: 若是不是我們這種每天無聊會打開deepstate 看戰線的無聊人士
: 只看這些新聞
: 僅憑想像再搭配這些戰術勝利的影片

最好笑的是 連Deepstate 都看不下去了

發文表示烏軍的軍事發言人的發言有問題

還被CNN拿去報導


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/28/europe/russia-daily-gains-ukraine-military-criticism-intl/index.html

https://reurl.cc/ez3x9j


Criticism of military communications

隨著撤軍和損失的不斷累積,Myroshnykov 和 DeepState 網站等軍事部落格都將矛頭指向烏克蘭官方通訊,指責武裝部隊提供的戰場最新情況越來越不切實際。

DeepState 在 Telegram 上發布了一段視頻,顯示一名俄羅斯士兵在索洛維奧韋村的無人機襲擊中喪生,但利用該視頻辯稱,孤立的事件可能掩蓋了大局,並指責軍方這樣做以及。

DeepState 寫道:「你可以永遠愉快地觀看俄羅斯(士兵)被撕成碎片的視頻,但附近還有另一個需要注意的地方:莫斯科人在村莊周圍平靜地走動,控制住村莊。 (烏克蘭)國防軍對他們造成火災破壞,人們可以(在國家電視台)重複至少十億次,該村莊的三分之二都在烏克蘭軍隊的控制之下,但現實情況完全不同」。

週六,霍爾蒂察行動策略小組發言人納扎爾·沃洛申(Nazar Voloshyn) 在烏克蘭電視台
上做出了這一評估,即索洛維奧韋村的三分之二處於烏克蘭控制之下。他說,附近的奧切雷泰因仍然由烏克蘭控制,三分之二的領土都掌握在烏克蘭手中。

就 DeepState 而言,它有不同的看法,評估俄羅斯軍隊控制 Ocheretyne 村中心(包括火車站)至少三天。上週,該監測網站對軍方提出了類似的投訴,指責「一些發言人」無能。

烏克蘭陸軍參謀長西爾斯基似乎在周日的 Telegram 帖子中回應了這些擔憂,暗示誤解是由於事態發展的不穩定性造成的。

他寫道:“形勢在不斷變化,有些職位每天易手數次,這導致人們對局勢的理解不明確。”

但他也承認烏克蘭的整體局勢已經惡化。

「前線的局勢已經升級。敵人為了奪取戰略主動權、突破前線,主力集中在幾個方向,在兵力和手段上形成了顯著優勢。



With withdrawals and losses accumulating, military bloggers such as
Myroshnykov and the DeepState site have both taken aim at official Ukrainian
communications, accusing the armed forces of increasingly unrealistic updatesfrom the battlefield.

DeepState, in a post on Telegram, published a graphic video of a Russian
soldier being killed in a drone strike in the village of Soloviove – but
used the clip to argue that isolated incidents can mask the bigger picture,
which it accused the military of doing as well.

“You can watch with pleasure forever the video of a Russian (soldier) being
torn to pieces,” DeepState wrote, “but nearby there is another location
that requires attention: Muscovites calmly moving around the village, keepingit under control. The (Ukrainian) Defense Forces inflict fire damage on them,and one can repeat at least a billion times (on national television) that
two-thirds of the village is under the control of the Ukrainian military, butthe picture of reality is completely different.”

That assessment – that two-thirds of Soloviove village was under Ukrainian
control – was made by Nazar Voloshyn, spokesperson of the Khortytsia
operational-strategic group, on Ukrainian TV on Saturday. Nearby Ocheretyne
was also still two-thirds controlled by Ukraine, which had things in hand, hesaid.

For its part, DeepState sees it differently, assessing that Russian troops
have been in control of the center of Ocheretyne village, including the
railway station, for at least three days. Last week, the monitoring site madea similar complaint against the military accusing “some spokespersons” of
incompetence.

Ukrainian army chief Syrskyi appeared to address those concerns in his
Telegram post on Sunday suggesting that misunderstandings were due to the
fluidity of developments.

“There is a dynamic change in the situation, some positions change hands
several times a day, which give rise to an ambiguous understanding of the
situation,” he wrote.

But he also acknowledged Ukraine’s overall situation had deteriorated.

“The situation at the front has escalated. Trying to seize the strategic
initiative and break through the front line, the enemy has concentrated its
main efforts in several directions, creating a significant advantage in
forces and in means,” he added.


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: 像這些
: https://i.imgur.com/5ulpZ4X.jpeg

: 或這些
: https://i.imgur.com/WXkZeP6.jpeg
: 看起來很酷對吧?
: 但對整體戰線來說
: 戰術勝利並不是整體戰線的態樣
: 這些影像再加上偏頗的華美字句
: 很容易被洗腦成烏軍「優勢在我」的想像
: 更準確的用現在流行的詞語
: 這就叫「認知作戰」
: 那些「認知作戰專家」
: 黑熊代表人物
: 不撻伐一下台灣與西方媒體的這種邪惡行為嗎?
: 「錯誤的戰場認知,比絲毫不知更可怕」

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tetani 04/29 13:59軍武版的即視感

haha98 04/29 14:00無聊 telegram根本都是假消息 軍武版專家

haha98 04/29 14:00都轉最可信的推特 多看吧

Newtype 04/29 14:03台獨仔把大本營戰報當聖旨不意外

ErosAmour 04/29 14:06對啊,看什麼野雞報導,推特和軍武情

ErosAmour 04/29 14:06報數則才是正確了解戰場的好信源。

jacky07130 04/29 14:07軍武不相信簡體中文報導不相信統媒

jacky07130 04/29 14:08只相信大本營戰報美國共和黨媒體不信

jacky07130 04/29 14:08所以根本無從討論起...

wuklean 04/29 14:10deepstate自己都各種慢 各種雙標了 也好

wuklean 04/29 14:10意思講烏軍發言人

vzerov 04/29 14:11巴哈姆特當時也是都過了一個禮拜才承認丟

vzerov 04/29 14:12了,但馬上改宣傳騙說要反包圍了,結果包

vzerov 04/29 14:12去哪了

lionpass 04/29 14:14選完了 沒空

a40494 04/29 14:16某版都說八卦翻車,現在看起來某版連車都

a40494 04/29 14:16爆炸了就不算翻車了

newsboy3423 04/29 14:36有啦 夏季大反攻有一路打巴赫木特

f22 04/29 23:27說謊騙得了一時,騙不了一世。