[分享] Rubio接受Catherine Herridge的訪問

Catherine Herridge
就是加拿大媒體CBS哥倫比亞廣播公司的記者
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Herridge：美國代表團是否向俄羅斯明確表示
不保證保留他們（俄羅斯）從烏克蘭吞併的領土？

Did the U.S. delegation make clear to the Russians
that there are no guarantees
about the retention of territory they have annexed from Ukraine?

Rubio：我們沒有討論任何有關領土方面的具體問題
因為這不是那次會議的目的。
會議的目的是確定是否真正有興趣討論和平。
如果有的話那麼這個過程就可以開始了。
我還認為，說「烏克蘭人將被排除在外」或「歐洲人將被排除在外」是愚蠢的。
如果沒有雙方的代表以及他們的觀點得到體現，你就無法停止戰爭。
他們兩個都必須同意。
如果烏克蘭不同意，俄羅斯就不能同意停火或結束敵對行動。
這必須是雙方都能接受的條件。
We didn’t engage in any specifics about territories,
none of these,
because that wasn’t the purpose of that meeting.
The purpose of the meeting was to determine whether there was a real interest in discussing peace or not.
If there is, then it’s a process that that can begin.
And I also think it’s silly to say,
well, the Ukrainians are going be cut out
or the Europeans are going to be cut out.
You can’t – you can’t find a stop to a war
unless both sides and their views are represented.
They both have to agree to it.
Like, Russia can’t agree to a ceasefire
or to an end of hostilities if the Uk
rainians don’t agree to it.
It has to be on terms acceptable to both sides.

Catherine Herridge：那麼國務卿Rubio
有什麼訊號顯示俄羅斯是認真對待和平的呢？
So, what’s the signal, Secretary Rubio, that the Russians are serious about peace?

Rubio：嗯這個訊號
我還不能回答他們是否認真對待和平。
這將取決於他們今後採取的態度。
我們唯一達成共識的是我們將談論和平。
他們提供什麼、他們願意讓步什麼、他們願意考慮什麼
將決定他們是否認真對待和平。
我們只是還沒到達那個階段。
Well, the signal – I can’t answer whether they’re serious about peace or no
t yet.
That will have to be determined by the attitude they take moving forward.
The only thing we agreed upon is that we’re going to talk about peace.
What they offer, what they’re willing to concede to,
what they’re willing to consider will determine
whether they’re serious about peace or not.
We’re just not at that stage yet.

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Catherine Herridge：如果中國對台灣採取行動，美國會保衛台灣嗎？
Will the U.S. defend Taiwan if China moves against the island?

Rubio：我只想說，
我認為我們對台灣的承諾是明確的，
而且多年來一直由多屆政府表達出來。
我們反對任何形式的強迫、強制改變地位。
這是我們的政策；這仍然是我們的政策。我們並不想引發衝突。
我們不想看到衝突。
但我們透過多年的政策——「六項保證」、「台灣關係法」——
明確表示我們反對以武力、威脅或脅迫改變台灣地位，
這仍然是我們的政策。

這就是我們通常採取的措施，這也為我們提供了穩定性，

我希望它能夠繼續提供穩定性。
我認為，無論中國人和習近平主席是否同意這一觀點，且仍然存在疑問，
但我們不會放棄支持台灣參與國際論壇，
因為目前大陸還不能代表台灣的觀點和利益。

因此我們將履行我們所做的所有承諾，但最重要的是
我們要明確表示我們反對任何形式的強制改變地位的行為。

Let me just say
that I think our commitments to Taiwan have been clear,
and they’ve been expressed through
multiple administrations for multiple years.
We are against any sort of compelled,
forced change of status.
That’s been our policy; that remains our policy.
We’re not seeking to trigger a conflict.
We don’t want to see a conflict.
But we have made very clear through years and years of our policies
– the Six Assurances, the Taiwan Relations Act –
that we are against any sort of change in status
by force or by threat or by coercion,and that remains our policy.

And that’s generally how we’ve left it,
and that’s what’s provided stability,
and I hope it continues to provide stability.
Whether the Chinese and President Xi shares that view,
I think there’s real doubts about it,
but we are not going to walk away from,
for example,
supporting Taiwan being involved in international forums
where their views and their interests
are not represented by the mainland at this point.

So, we’re going to keep all the commitments we’ve made and –
but the most important one is to make clear
that we are against and oppose any sort of forced change in status.

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