[討論] Reddit兩年前熱議-槍西操控牌局
Discussion starts at roughly 22:15 in this podcast from May 16.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7qXLHPnAUr9Lj9qAHOIqPF
Can also be found here on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/live/G-TKR5ca5jI?feature=share&t=1635
For context this is a poker-focused podcast by Matthew Berkey (a well-known
professional poker player for 20+ years who lives in Vegas) and his close
friends with whom he runs a poker coaching company.
Transcript in comments.
這是一檔以撲克為主題的Podcast,由 Matthew Berkey(一位居住在拉斯維加斯、擁有
20多年經驗的知名職業撲克玩家)和他的好友們主講,他們共同經營著一家撲克教練公司
文字記錄見評論。
Matt: There are a lot of stories about it. There's one that cropped up, must've been like 5 years ago, 2019ish I think? 4 years ago? Where there was this
game, it started in LA and then it came to Vegas for a few days, and it was
all built around Chauncey Billups. And I had heard about the game, and the
person who told me about it was like "Look, I know the game runners, I am
telling you 100% this game is on the up-and-up." And I was like "Well, I knowa lot of the people that are involved and I am telling you 100% that it is NOT on the up-and-up."
Matt: 關於這件事有很多故事。其中有一個,大概發生在五年前吧,我想是2019年?或者四年前?有一場遊戲,先是在洛杉磯開始,然後來到拉斯維加斯待了幾天,整個遊戲都是圍繞 Chauncey Billups 的。我有聽說過這場遊戲,而告訴我的那個人說:「你看,我認識這場遊戲的主辦者,我百分之百保證這場遊戲是公平的。」我當時就說:「好吧,我認識很多參與的人,我百分之百可以告訴你,這場遊戲一點都不公平。」
Matt: We kind of went back and forth and I agreed that I just wasn't going togo play. But I had some friends who went and played it both in LA and in Vegas, and it obviously was like, for sure confirmed to be cheated. Like people who clearly didn't even understand the rules of No Limit Hold'em are just jamming hundreds of big blinds with a gutty and then just drilling it.1 [laughs] Only the pros are losing...
Matt: 我們來來回回討論了一下,我最後同意我就不去玩了。但我有一些朋友去玩了,不管是在洛杉磯還是拉斯維加斯,結果很明顯,這場遊戲確實是作弊的。那些根本不懂 NoLimit Hold'em 規則的人,就隨便用一手「gutty」推入上百個大盲注,然後就這樣贏了。[笑] 只有專業玩家在輸……
Conrad: How was it figured out?
Conrad: 那是怎麼被發現的?
Matt: I can't remember if this was the game where...
Matt: 我記不清這是不是那場賭局……
Conrad: The loudspeaker? No... that was Pierce [referring to a different
cheating story involving Paul Pierce]
Conrad: 用擴音器?不……那是 Pierce 的事 [指另一個涉及 Paul Pierce 的作弊事件]
Matt: Oh, okay. Well it's still, it's not like Chauncey and Pierce don't knoweach other [laughs]. I feel like it's probably the same crowd overlapping
there, but maybe not. Either way, it was basically confirmed amongst all the
pros that the game was cheated but here's just no recourse. And just, you know, they got absolutely flayed.
Matt: 喔,好吧。不過其實 Chauncey 和 Pierce 應該是認識的 [笑]。我覺得可能是同一群人參與,或者也未必。不管怎麼說,所有專業玩家基本上都確認了這場遊戲是作弊的,但就是沒有辦法追究。而且,你知道的,他們完全被打得慘兮兮。
Conrad: Yeah, there's no recourse in a lot of these situations.
Conrad: 對啊,在很多這種情況下是沒有追究辦法的。
Matt: Well it's tough too whenever you're dealing with someone high profile
like that, because they carry a lot of weight and hold a lot of power, so allyou can do is unite together and threaten to publicly out him or extort him in some sort of capacity, in which case... good luck. It's like, this guy beat
rape charges. You think he cares about you calling him a cheater?
Matt: 當你面對這種高知名度的人也很難,因為他們有很大的影響力和權力,所以你唯一能做的就是聯合起來,威脅要公開揭發他,或者用某種方式敲詐他,但這種情況……祝你
好運吧。這個人都打贏了強姦案,你覺得他會在意你說他作弊嗎?
Conrad: Yeah, I mean it's like... most people cheat and come prepared for a
situation when it does happen. So you just can't really out them. When they're there, you don't want to call them out in public--
Conrad: 對,我是說……大部分人作弊時通常都已經有準備了。所以你真的很難揭發他們
。當他們在場的時候,你也不想當眾指責他們——
https://x.com/dhookstead/status/1981347049887973588
然後這位說
Chauncey Billups' arrest is tied to an alleged illegal poker scheme involvingLa Cosa Nostra crime families (the mafia) and "rigged shuffling machines,"
according to a source with direct knowledge.
More arrests expected, though timeline unclear.
I’m told Billups’ arrest is separate from Terry Rozier’s arrest, though
there may be overlap.
據直接知情人士透露,昌西·比盧普斯的被捕與一樁涉嫌非法撲克陰謀有關,該陰謀涉及黑手黨犯罪家族和「操縱洗牌機」。
預計會有更多人被捕,但具體時間尚不清楚。
我聽說比盧普斯被捕與特里羅齊爾被捕是分開的,儘管可能有重疊。
:OOOOOOOOO
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運動員這麼愛打德州撲克喔
更多人被捕 是指球員的話就刺激了
哇靠 更嚴重了 越來越大條 笑死
He is done
NBA Toyz
繼續轉移
他打牌都作弊了 他籃球真的會那麼乾淨嗎?
丁特的局
跟黑手黨勾結 非法詐賭 聽起來蠻嚴重的
乾不乾淨不知道,但這內容就代表他跟開賭場的一夥。
而且時間從兩年前開始的話,不知道坑了多少錢。
FBI逮捕31人
等等 強姦案是怎麼回事 槍西還有著出版?
還有這齣嗎
有阿
那個反而更多人知道吧...
槍西性醜聞是在新人年 當時他根本不在活塞 更不用
說成為一線球星了
看來槍西這輩子就這樣了
1997年 阿拓聘任他的時候我記得還有被挖出來過
對阿,剛找他接阿拓教練的時候被挖出來鞭。
跟黑道聯手詐賭也是很厲害表示關係很好
他其實是兩年前被爆料四年前做局
槍西:開個二給他,讓他贏莊家一百元 (X
所以時間線可能更長
小平叔玩橋牌都要靠他
這貨是偷到FMVP才有退休背號
NBA toyz
等等 老皮又是什麼故事
窩不知道
神射手 特哥
是球員就巴比哭了
FBI LIVE開始 有畫面了
真假 有這種東西
我也想看
聯合莊家嗎 NBA瓜哥 欸?
FBI開直播了 刺激喔
Damon Jones也被抓了 沒人發
直播哪看啊
YT 打 Billups FBI 就有了阿
這就是詐欺了
難怪NBC說轉播很難賺回來 因為賭客看結果就好
NBA教練搞賭場詐賭嗎?XDDD 這可以拍電影了吧
神鬼教練
好像也沒說啥
講完了
PP也是 不意外
NBC轉播才第一年就發生這種事,真的會哭死
也沒說31人是誰
我等著看清單有誰== 怎麼沒說啥
孔雀台這40年內哪個決策不蠢 一堆收視王牌都沒有 體
馬利克沒被捕 lucky
美東時間早上十點會公布的樣子
育的戲劇的都是如此
詐賭很重的
......阿不就剛剛 沒公布啊 騙我
畫面又有人了 來一堆
要開趴喔
這應該是檢察官
剪頭髮的茉莉
今天談的是10M USD以上的case
要唸名單了嗎
Damon Jones後面那兩個聽不懂
那兩個名字我不認識
又一堆不認識的
一堆名字
至少七個
只知道羅企鵝
Terry rozier還有MPJ弟弟
臉色特便
什麼波特
MPJ他弟,之前就被抓了
這個應該是非法賭局涉及黑道的,不然吉巴上直播打早
就被抓了
可能有些名字不是助教 吧
參加合法賭局沒問題啊 是賭NBA+參加非法的有問題
槍西要88了
真的是操控洗牌機
證實 牌局cheater
槍西Toyz
槍西888888899倒大霉囉
就詐賭啊 這大條了
娃
程式 機器 全都有了 涼透
阿拓找之前都沒背調喔
涼了喔,詐賭
詐賭,要剁手指了嗎?
這機器是啥
就是有背調才被波特蘭市民噴阿
透視牌桌
有發牌機+洗牌程式+透視牌桌
詐賭涉幾千萬鎂的 沒救了
美國椅子
真的是一世英名付諸流水,不愛惜羽毛
又開始唸名字了
其實他就是靠一世英名才玩這齣的,人品就那樣。
球員生涯賺這麼多,又有教練這份工作,幹嘛還要搞事
一堆名字,沒有圖片搭配,差評
水原那個都可以拍影劇+電影一條龍了,槍西這個要不
剩下感覺都不是球員了
要拍一下感覺也能賺錢
槍西牢底坐穿
很多這種電影高科技詐賭
洗牌機
洗牌程式
透視牌桌
槍西這麼狠喔 整套的欸
好歹配個螢幕,原來美國講案子也是這麼乾
透視牌桌欸
檢察官說four more nba player?
Special Agent 帥
他是說前NBA球員
喔 former
former
詐賭
名人堂操盤手?
講完了 發問時間
小時候以為只有海珊才會操縱牌局,沒想到中年可以
看到槍西表演
原來一開始爆的就是有名的 沒聽到認識的其他人
悲哀,FMVP搞成這樣
這個已經不是詐欺,他就是犯罪集團一份子了
結果社會瓜反而乾乾淨淨的......
不勝唏噓
瓜哥從小到大看的多了,反而知道很多東西不能碰。
所以真的別怪中職和球迷這麼敏感
真的這些籃球員去聽聽瓜哥進名人堂那段話...
社會瓜是混兄弟情的 這種下場搞錢他才不會做
德撲這種就是跟賭錢有掛勾的,自己在家玩一玩就得了
運動員想碰等退休大把時間讓你玩
瓜哥談的是人脈,不是什麼地下收入
瓜哥自己賺就很多錢了 知道不能搞這些旁門左道賺
不是不能玩,是不能非法
西河都直接辦慈善撲克大賽了,吉巴上直播桌還bluff
NBA劉偉健
跟Toyz一樣菜雞啊 什麼技巧都不會 又穩穩贏
但台灣就沒合法的啊
台灣不是有法院判例 錦標賽合法嗎
Berkey很強欸
在美國去非法賭場玩就是犯罪,像老巴跟喬神都是去
合法賭場
美國賭場故事很多,拍成電影會比威漫宇宙更多
NBA閻總?
原來槍西是聯合非法賭場搞高科技詐賭
瓜哥不需要搞這個 瓜哥的guts沒這麼low
詐賭跟非法賭場哪個重?
他是非法賭場詐賭 不用分
槍西太扯了吧
好扯
殺手馬欸博壞賭
怎麼扯到PP了
哇!原來早就在做而且被人看出來了
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