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Everything we know and don't know about Ben Simmons, the Philadelphia 76ers
and their trade impasse
76人跟西門的交易僵局:我們目前所知道跟不知道的部分

By Tim Bontemps and Bobby Marks

Ben Simmons and the Philadelphia 76ers remain at an impasse, as the two sideshave been since Philadelphia was eliminated in the second round of the
playoffs by the Atlanta Hawks in June.
自從六月份季後賽第二輪76人被老鷹掃地出門後,西門跟76人球團就處在僵局。

Simmons, who is under contract for four more seasons, would like to be
traded. The 76ers would like to trade him, but only for a return they believeis commensurate with how they value the 25-year-old three-time All-Star and
two-time All-Defense selection.
還有四年約在身上的西門喊出了吹密,76人也想交易他,但是他們想要可以拿到相當於這位25歲,有過三次全明星,兩次年度防守陣容的球員價值的回報。

So far, a deal hasn't happened. Until it does, both sides will remain locked
in a stalemate.
但是到現在為止,這交易沒發生。除非交易達成,目前兩邊就會一直卡在這個僵局裡。

Sources previously told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski that Simmons has sought a
trade out of Philadelphia and that Simmons' agent, Klutch Sports CEO Rich
Paul, and Sixers management met earlier this summer. Now, sources confirmed
Simmons has threatened to skip the start of training camp in an effort to putpressure on Philadelphia to make a move.
根據消息來源告訴Woj,西門想要離開76人,西門的經紀人富保羅跟76人的制服組在今年夏天稍早有會面過。而現在,消息來源證實西門有威脅球團,他會不到訓練營,藉以對76人施加壓力。

All of that adds up to Philadelphia -- a city that has grown accustomed to
drama surrounding its basketball team -- being home to the league's stickiestsituation with less than three weeks until training camp.
費城這個已經習慣籃球隊有抓馬的城市,現在處在一個最為棘手的狀況,而距離訓練營開訓只剩不到三個禮拜的時間。

How did we get here?
到底怎麼變成這樣的?

From the moment Simmons passed out of a wide-open dunk to Matisse Thybulle
with under four minutes to go in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference semifinals
against the Hawks, league insiders have believed his exit from Philadelphia
was inevitable.
東區準決賽第七場面對老鷹比賽剩下不到四分鐘,西門在沒人防守的狀況下沒灌籃,反而把球傳給了Matisse Thybulle,從那之後,聯盟內的消息人士就認為,西門離開76人已經是無法避免的了。

After staunchly defending Simmons all season, Sixers coach Doc Rivers was
asked after that Game 7 loss if Simmons could be a championship-level point
guard.
整季都替西門堅定辯護的河流,在第七戰結束後被問到西門有可能成為冠軍級別的控衛
時,他說:


"I don't know the answer to that," Rivers said.
「對那問題我沒有答案。」

Part of the reason Rivers defended Simmons all season was that it was his
latest attempt to use his news conferences to boost the confidence of one of
his key players -- something he'd had success doing with players like Rajon
Rondo with the Boston Celtics and DeAndre Jordan with the LA Clippers.
河流整季都替西門辯護,部分的理由可能是他想藉此去給他的主要核心球員打氣增加自
信--這方法他以前在賽提用在Rajon Rondo身上以及在快艇DeAndre Jordan身上都有效果。

Not only was Philadelphia still hoping Simmons would become more willing to
shoot, but there also was the fact that Simmons' name had been bandied about
in James Harden trade talks at the start of the season.
不僅76人當時仍舊希望西門會變得更有意願出手投球,而且在季初那時鬍子喊出吹密時西門的名字一直有被提到。

Ultimately, none of it worked, culminating with Simmons passing up that
wide-open dunk.
不過最終,這些方法沒有一個奏效,最後就是西門那個沒人守可以灌籃的機會卻把球傳了出去。

Shortly after that ugly Game 7 loss, and following a discussion between
management and Simmons' representation, both sides agreed to look for a tradeas the draft and free agency approached. Over the ensuing weeks, the Sixers
had talks with numerous teams, sources said, and several made what they
believed were legitimate offers.
在Game 7結束後沒多久,西門團隊跟制服組討論,最後雙方同意在選秀及FA市場開市後尋找交易對象。在那幾周,根據消息來源,76人跟許多隊伍都談過,然後一些隊伍提出了他們認為是合理的報價給76人。

It became clear the Sixers' asking price for Simmons was steep; Philly was
looking for a premium return whether it was a star player, multiple
first-round picks or both.
後來知道76人開價過高,他們要嘛要一個頂級球員,不嘛就是多個首輪籤,甚至兩個都
要。


After the transaction season ended in mid-August, owner Joshua Harris and
76ers management flew to Los Angeles to meet with Simmons and agent Rich
Paul. The Sixers intended to tell Simmons they couldn't find a deal for him
and hoped to put aside differences and enter the season on the same page,
sources said.
在8月中後,76人老闆Joshua Harris跟制服組飛去LA跟西門以及他的經紀人富保羅碰面。根據消息來源,76人這邊跟西門說他們沒辦法達成交易,然後希望大家可以把之前的歧見放在一旁,然後攜手同心一起打新的賽季。

Simmons, however, was steadfast, telling Harris he didn't want to play for
the team again and that if he wasn't traded by the end of the month he didn'tintend to come to training camp, sources said.
然而,根據消息來源說,西門很堅定的告訴老闆Harris,他不想再替76人打球了,然後若是月底他沒有被交易走,他是沒有意願去訓練營報到的。

The point was made that it wasn't Simmons' responsibility to increase his
trade value, and that the Sixers should find the best possible trade and
execute it now, rather than wait for a strong start to the season to increasehis value.
其中也說到增加西門的交易價值不是西門的責任,然後76人應該找到最有可能的交易對象後就去做,而不是要等到開季然後開季有個好表現來增加他的交易價值。

Why hasn't Simmons been traded yet?
為什麼西門還沒有交易走呢?

The simple answer? Because Damian Lillard and Bradley Beal aren't available
yet.
想聽簡單一點的答案嗎?那就是因為小李Damian Lillard跟Bradley Beal目前是換不到
的。


Philadelphia's president of basketball operations, Daryl Morey, has proven
three things over his long, successful run as an executive: He isn't afraid
of awkward situations, he isn't going to make a deal for the sake of making
one and he is constantly trying to swing trades for stars.
76人總管Daryl Morey一直以來擔任總管一直都很成功,有三件事可以知道:他不怕尷尬的局面,他不會為了交易而交易,而且他一直會持續嘗試去交易以換來明星球員。

Like several other teams around the league, the 76ers are closely monitoring
the Lillard situation in hopes that he asks out of Portland. Earlier this
summer, Lillard said he didn't feel like the Blazers had a championship
roster and wanted to see improvements. Portland has had a quiet offseason in
terms of free-agent additions.
就像聯盟裡面其他幾支隊伍,76人一直在密切注意小李的狀況,希望他會喊吹密。今年夏天稍早時,小李說他不覺得阿拓現在有奪冠的陣容,希望球隊可以做補強。雖然有補進了一些FA,阿拓這休賽季算是相對安靜的。

Until there's any movement there -- or another team comes in with a huge
offer for Simmons separately -- it seems likely Simmons will remain on
Philadelphia's roster for the foreseeable future.
除非真的有動作--或者其他隊伍拿出大禮包來換西門--目前來看,很有可能西門在可預見的未來仍然會還在76人。

Would Simmons really not report to training camp?
西門真的會不到訓練營嗎?

Rich Paul hasn't been afraid to use this sort of tactic to his advantage in
the past. Two Klutch Sports clients, Tristan Thompson and JR Smith, had
protracted contract negotiations with the Cleveland Cavaliers deep into
training camp, only getting them done close to the start of the regular
season.
在過去富保羅從來不會害怕用這些手段來獲取一些優勢。之前兩個他的客戶,Tristan
Thompson跟JR Smith,在騎士時期就到訓練營末段都還在討論合約事宜,到了快要開季的時候才談成合約。


This situation is different. Simmons is under contract for another four
seasons, which diminishes his leverage. Holding out is one way he could
pressure Philadelphia to make a move -- although it's unlikely Morey would
feel the need to rush into making one.
不過這次的情形跟以前不一樣,西門現在還有4年的合約,這讓他手上的籌碼變少了。不參加訓練營是他給76人施加壓力的方式--不過這就要讓Morey因此就去急忙忙的做出下一步是不太可能的。

Expect the NBA to step in if Simmons does not report and the 76ers do not
penalize him financially with a suspension. The last thing the league can
afford is a precedent of players under contract not reporting for training
camp.
若是西門不報到,然後76人也沒因此禁他賽罰他錢的話,可以預期聯盟將會介入。聯盟最不想要的是有合約的球員不到訓練營報到的先例。

Have there been recent examples of players under contract not reporting to
camp?
過去有球員有約在身卻沒有到訓練營報到的案例嗎?

The closest is Jimmy Butler in 2018 with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Butler
was dissatisfied that his contract was not renegotiated during the offseason
and believed not everyone on the roster was aligned to winning. As a result,
he implored the organization to trade him.
最近的例子是在2018年灰狼時期的吉巴。那時吉巴對球隊在休賽季沒有跟他重談合約很不爽,然後認為隊上球員不是所有人都是想贏球的,因此他跟球隊喊出了吹密。

The Butler situation was different because the Timberwolves gave him
permission to miss media day and the early part of training camp while he
rehabbed his right knee. When Butler did return to training camp on Oct. 10,
he created a storm at his first practice, challenging teammates, coaches and
front-office executives.
但是吉巴的狀況是不一樣的,因為灰狼球團同意他在媒體日缺席,也同意他去復健他的右膝,前面的訓練營期間可以不用來。不過當吉巴在10/10回來的時候,他在第一次的練習就掀起風暴,挑戰隊友,教練以及制服組成員。

One of those targets was then-GM Scott Layden: "You f---ing need me, Scott.
You can't win without me," Butler reportedly said.
其中一個對象就是當時的灰狼總管Scott Layden,他說,「Scott,你他媽的需要我;沒有我,你們贏不了球。」

The young Timberwolves team that reached the playoffs the previous year
started the season 3-7. After four straight losses, Butler was traded on Nov.12 to the 76ers, where he helped Simmons and Embiid reach the second round ofthe playoffs before losing to the eventual champion Toronto Raptors.
天賦狼在前一年打進季後賽,當季開始是3-7;在連續四場輸球後,吉巴在11/12交易到76人。然後吉巴幫助西門跟鉛筆打進季後賽第二輪,最後輸給了暴龍。

Another example is when the Rockets' James Harden asked for a trade last
offseason and missed the first week of training camp as a result of failing
to meet the NBA's COVID-19 protocols.
另外一個案例就是去年休賽季的鬍子,他因為沒有符合聯盟COVID-19準則而缺席了第一周的訓練營。

Harden eventually practiced on Dec. 14 but was ruled unavailable for the
Rockets' season opener after being spotted at an indoor party without a mask,a violation of the league's health and safety protocols that cost him
$50,000. Houston started the season 3-6 before Harden was traded to Brooklyn
in mid-January.
鬍子最後在12/14開始練球,但是因為被發現沒戴口罩開趴,違反了聯盟健康與安全準則被罰了5萬鎂,也缺席了開幕戰。最後火箭開季3-6,在一月中把鬍子交易到了籃網。

A Simmons no-show at training camp would be considered more of an
inconvenience and less of a disruption.
西門不到訓練營報到比較被認為是造成不方便,但是不會是太困擾的狀況。

Unlike Minnesota and Houston, where Butler and Harden were both their teams'
top players, that is not the case in Philadelphia. The 76ers have an MVP
candidate in Joel Embiid and a strong nucleus led by Tobias Harris, Seth
Curry, Thybulle and Tyrese Maxey.
不像天賦狼跟火箭,吉巴跟鬍子都是他們球隊的頂尖球員,這在76人就不一樣了。76人有MVP等級的鉛筆,以及另外一群堅強核心球員包括了Tobias Harris,Seth Surry,
Thybulle跟Tyrese Maxey。


With or without Simmons, Philadelphia is still a playoff team, although
likely not one of the favorites to come out of the Eastern Conference.
有沒有西門,76人都會是一支季後賽隊伍,只是很可能不會是闖出東區的熱門隊伍。

What are the financial implications if Simmons holds out?
若是西門不去報到,財務方面會有怎樣的影響呢?

Under Article VI, Section 1 (player conduct) of the collective bargaining
agreement, a player who fails to render services would be suspended and couldbe fined up to 1/145th of the player's base compensation for each day he doesnot show up.
根據團體協商合約規定,球員若是沒有提供他們的服務會被處禁賽,然後每日罰錢,最高每日可到他們薪水的1/145。

This means Simmons could forfeit $227,613 for every practice and game that hemisses. It should be noted that Simmons would need to be suspended before the76ers can levy the per-day penalty.
這代表了每次沒去練或是沒上場比賽門可能會要損失22萬7613鎂。不過要注意的是,西門得要先被禁賽,然後76人球團才能每日開罰。

Taking the suspension approach is the point of no return for the 76ers, who
would lose a ton of leverage in their search for a trade.
不過若是76人拿出禁賽手段的話,這代表了76人走上了不歸路,他們在尋找交易上將會喪失了許多籌碼。

If the 76ers elect not to enforce the "failure to render services" language
in the CBA, they could still fine him $2,500 for the first missed practice,
$5,000 for the second missed practice, $7,500 for the third missed practice
and a reasonable fine under the circumstances for a fourth (or additional)
missed practice.
若是76人球團選擇不要按照團體薪資協議上的"未能提供服務"的規定來行使,他們也還能夠因他缺席第一次練習罰2500鎂,第二次練習罰5000鎂,第三次罰7500鎂,第四次或是之後更多的缺席開罰合理的價碼。

However, Simmons' situation is unique because of the pay structure in his
contract.
不過,西門因為他的合約給付模式導致他的狀況很不一樣。

When Simmons signed his five-year $177.2 million rookie max extension in
2019, he elected to be paid 25% of his salary for every season on July 1, 25%on Oct. 1 and the remaining 50% in 12 installments starting on Nov. 15.
2019年當西門簽下5年1億7720萬鎂的菜鳥頂薪續約時,他選了每年7/1拿當年薪水的25%,10/1拿25%,然後11/15後分12期拿剩下的50%。

The unknown is if the 76ers would withhold $8,250,984 on Oct. 1 if he doesn'tshow up for training camp.
目前不知道若是西門缺席訓練營的話,他們會不會就先不付10/1該付的825萬984鎂的錢給西門。

What is Simmons' relationship with Embiid now?
鉛筆現在跟西門的關係如何?

From the moment Simmons and Embiid began playing together in 2017, there havebeen questions about their on-court fit despite the two of them consistently
posting positive net ratings when sharing the court.
2017年西門開始跟鉛筆一起打球,一直有人對於他們兩個同時在場上是否合適有許多疑
問,儘管數據顯示當兩個都在場上是正面的。


Philadelphia's repeated stumbles in the playoffs haven't eased those
concerns. And after Embiid spoke to the media following the 76ers' Game 7
loss to the Hawks, the idea of breaking up the stars burst open.
76人接連在季後賽鎩羽沒有讓這些憂慮平息。而在76人輸給老鷹的Game 7的媒體訪問時,鉛筆跟媒體講的讓這雙人組分手的想法爆開了。

"I'll be honest. I thought the turning point was when we, I don't know how tosay it, is when we had an open shot and we made one free throw," Embiid said,not naming Simmons but specifically calling out his passed-up layup
opportunity as the reason for Philadelphia's loss.
「我得要老實講,我認為轉折點是,我不知道怎麼說,就是那時我們有個沒人守的機會以及我們只投進了一顆罰球,」鉛筆說,儘管他沒有點名西門,但是還是特別指出了西門有機會上籃卻把球傳出去導致了76人輸球。

However, Embiid took to Twitter last week in response to a story about the
status of their relationship, saying he had no issues with Simmons.
不過,上禮拜鉛筆在推特上回應了有關他跟西門的關係,說他跟西門沒有問題。

"Stop using my name to push people's agendas," Embiid tweeted. "I love and
hate drama. I love playing with Ben. Stats don't lie. He's an amazing player
and we all didn't get the job done. It's on me personally. I hope everyone isback cuz we know we're good enough to win."
「不要再用我的名字好去達成你們的目的了,」鉛筆在推特上寫到。「我喜歡,也討厭抓馬。我愛跟西門打球,數據是不會說謊的,他就是一個很棒的球員,我們這次都沒有做到我們該做的。我個人覺得是我的關係,我希望每個人都能回來,因為我們都知道我們是夠好的,是可以贏球的。」

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sy4826951 09/10 11:32歹戲拖棚

ken720331 09/10 11:34espn新聞中心報導

laptic 09/10 11:35裡面有寫 Tim Bontemps and Bobby Marks,只是板主

laptic 09/10 11:35沒有放上去

我把作者補上去

sustainer12309/10 11:36莫雷對決富保羅

※ 編輯: pneumo (61.222.1.181 臺灣), 09/10/2021 11:37:21

hank13241 09/10 11:37雖然是西門表現太爛引起的,不過我覺得七六人管理層

hank13241 09/10 11:37也有問題就是了,當初好好談交易不要亂開價,應該早

hank13241 09/10 11:37就塵埃落定了

magamanzero 09/10 11:38不能這麼說 鉛筆簽了 西門基本就要等了

chenluyang 09/10 11:3876想用西門換小李或beal?去作夢吧,夢裡什麼都有

magamanzero 09/10 11:38簡單說還沒賣 就如同這篇說的 莫雷不會為交易而交易

magamanzero 09/10 11:39沒有變數的話 看誰會先屈服吧 (茶

mhkt 09/10 11:40莫雷要交易其實就是看包裹主菜夠不夠出色 不然他

mhkt 09/10 11:40也不會貿然出手

mhkt 09/10 11:40況且莫雷面對是富保羅團隊的施壓

hank13241 09/10 11:40然後西門一直搞爛自己價值,站在他的立場這樣才正常

hank13241 09/10 11:41到底誰會屈服呢?真的期待

kkevil 09/10 11:41為了保BB跟西門搞走JB,可惜了...

tliu223 09/10 11:43按理來說換以準明星,比如水拉為主的包裹應該比較符

tliu223 09/10 11:43合西門現在的身價,不過莫雷可能就是想賭一把有沒有

tliu223 09/10 11:44人愿者上鉤。鬧到最后大概兩敗俱傷,西門寧愿被大量

tliu223 09/10 11:45罰款也要扛,直到最后被交易;莫雷換不到理想中的籌

mhkt 09/10 11:45他想賭 可是目前的現況太難 沒有球隊願意拿好料

mhkt 09/10 11:45來談啊

tliu223 09/10 11:45碼,交易結束后一起下課一鞠躬。

angelne 09/10 11:45客觀來講 莫雷也沒做好他的工作 一直想佔人便宜

kl015013 09/10 11:45寫得不錯

demonh311 09/10 11:45就莫雷找不到盤子交易而已

angelne 09/10 11:46最終就是兩敗俱傷

hank13241 09/10 11:46反正現在也不用期待西門認真打球,反而會期待他進一

hank13241 09/10 11:47步擺爛,他現在的目標應該是搞爛自己讓球隊交易,然

mhkt 09/10 11:47不是血流成河 就是快樂分手

hank13241 09/10 11:47後盡可能讓新東家給少一點籌碼,這樣到新球隊才會更

hank13241 09/10 11:47有戰力,總之七六人的利益已經與西門無關了

mhkt 09/10 11:49菻H過程遲早也要碰壁 因為西門的表現實在難堪

mhkt 09/10 11:49相信

hank7218 09/10 11:49西門想辦法進入健康管理協議

ghostxx 09/10 11:50莫雷還是想賺,就留著自己用吧

dwiee 09/10 11:50莫雷的做法也沒錯 曾經滄海難為水 可以換可愛/鬍子

dwiee 09/10 11:50現在當然看不上一般明星球員了

dwiee 09/10 11:51看富寶羅和莫雷誰忍比較久 沒有西門 76還是能季後賽

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 11:51莫雷的想法很明顯啊,換不到更強戰力更進一步,好

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 11:51歹也要拿幾個首輪,不然賣了幹嘛

hank13241 09/10 11:52我覺得適時認賠也是很重要的,現在搞到兩邊都難堪也

hank13241 09/10 11:52不是個辦法

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 11:52會這樣想很正常吧,只是西門發現了之後搞逼宮這套

mhkt 09/10 11:52莫雷在火箭時期老早就把交易的架構跟規模越搞越大

mhkt 09/10 11:52……

mhkt 09/10 11:52之後也因為配合老闆避稅 不惜貼首輪去當交易添頭

dw1012 09/10 11:52Morey跟富保都是喜歡用強硬手段的

hank13241 09/10 11:53如果莫雷看得上首輪早就換了,最早傳的國王灰狼每個

dw1012 09/10 11:53加上西門還是完整四年約 搞不好會僵持很久

mhkt 09/10 11:53現在莫雷的立場簡單明瞭 沒有好的包裹是不會出手

ghostxx 09/10 11:53現在就是看富保跟莫雷鬥,看誰要開首例

hank13241 09/10 11:53麻都要給首輪,但莫雷要的是核心+3個以上的首輪,擺

hank13241 09/10 11:53明搶劫當然沒人要換

mhkt 09/10 11:54兩個強硬派對決 下場就是兩敗俱傷

MK47 09/10 11:54換哈登的時候七六人提供的包裹有包含西門 結果火箭

MK47 09/10 11:54拒絕了

jyekid 09/10 11:54推 翻譯 開價本來就會報高給人殺價了

f77928 09/10 11:54去年鬍子鬧吹密期間也很搞笑,一堆人因為指責職業態

f77928 09/10 11:54度認為提出什麼交易籌碼都虧,事後來看就是抱著普通

f77928 09/10 11:54貨色孤芳自賞

dw1012 09/10 11:55因為Embiid簽DVPE 一年內不能交易 所以Morey沒在怕

black2453 09/10 11:5576人一直在等小李或Beal喊交易啊 可是沒等到

hank13241 09/10 11:56鬍子交易下家不一樣啊,要西門的都是要搶季後賽的

mhkt 09/10 11:56火箭拒絕是 火箭老闆不爽莫雷啊…… 並非包裹不

mhkt 09/10 11:56夠吸引人

hank13241 09/10 11:56你把下家的核心掏空了,最後還是得重建,所以他們可

hank13241 09/10 11:56能願意付出選秀權,但核心不可能給

dwiee 09/10 11:57我記得好像卡在76不想包小醬 老闆不爽也是主因

ghostdeityj 09/10 11:58推翻譯

mhkt 09/10 11:58不只西門+3首輪 連那年輕小將都要包下去

mhkt 09/10 11:59反正就算你願意包 火箭老闆也不會點頭成交

mhkt 09/10 12:00純粹就是抬價用

kuloda 09/10 12:0276人擺爛,籃球之神也無法支持,這幾年動盪沒話說啦

cama 09/10 12:03賽季時老河應該鼓勵西門多投籃而非護航他不出手也

cama 09/10 12:03能贏球 讓炸彈越滾越大 結果被淘汰就不演了

lianhua 09/10 12:05吉巴真的狂XD

FOB5566 09/10 12:05目標爭冠的球隊不會有人想出大籌碼換西門

hank13241 09/10 12:06西門只有要拚季後賽的球隊要是無庸置疑的,所以你要

FOB5566 09/10 12:06季後賽邊緣的球隊也不太可能為了換西門出太多主力吧

hank13241 09/10 12:06他們的核心球員那他們有換跟沒換又沒差,自然不會做

hank13241 09/10 12:06這種交易

Leaflock 09/10 12:06哈哈哈每則文章都要用那張照片就是了

Altair 09/10 12:07推 翻譯

FOB5566 09/10 12:08重建隊更不可能為了換西門來刷數據付出一大堆籌碼

Leaflock 09/10 12:12上賽季Harden用健康協議當作消極手段滿聰明的 避免

Leaflock 09/10 12:12了很多衝突 西門現在沒辦法用這個方法了

waijr 09/10 12:13也太沒有職業道德 要是每個人都這樣 NBA 還要打嗎?

FOB5566 09/10 12:14最主要還是當初被BB寵壞了

waijr 09/10 12:14建議全球團默契封殺 長痛不如短痛

asdfzx 09/10 12:14鬍子那筆,主因是火箭不想跟莫雷做交易

markvend 09/10 12:15我只知道76不急

hsnut27 09/10 12:15全球團應該默契封殺富保羅吧...

Maxhuge 09/10 12:16這個年代誰要不會投籃的控衛 西門人生我看難有好結

Maxhuge 09/10 12:16

rayisgreat 09/10 12:16ㄎㄎ

kkjjkkjj 09/10 12:1976人自己開價太高吧

waijr 09/10 12:19賣不掉你他媽就有義務打啊 不然內?

hank13241 09/10 12:20他可以到場然後上場散步阿

hank13241 09/10 12:20這樣他既不會被罰錢還能搞七六人,如果西門真的要做

waijr 09/10 12:20不然你他媽簽兩年一年啊

hank13241 09/10 12:21這麼絕的話,不讓他上場他就爽領錢

Happpppy 09/10 12:21真是勞工典範 拿了錢還能威脅公司的

agassi001 09/10 12:22拜託罰一罰,這種咖能拿大約然後書豪沒人簽

SuikaJasper 09/10 12:22這是聯盟的問題啊,莫雷最多就錯失機會而已可以嘴他

SuikaJasper 09/10 12:22爛總管,但有約的球員只要喊吹原隊利益就跟他無關甚

SuikaJasper 09/10 12:22至衝突根本不合理,聯盟放著76屈服就是默認富保聯盟

waijr 09/10 12:22這些人職業道德到底在哪要簽長約 又要擺爛威脅轉隊

hank13241 09/10 12:23其實這種事不是西門開始的,只是可以用吹密威脅球隊

hank13241 09/10 12:23的球員實力越來越低

chichung 09/10 12:23有哪支球隊可以容忍你罰球差不投藍的 不自己反省?

waijr 09/10 12:23就給你上去散步 讓球迷噓爆

hank13241 09/10 12:24西門看現在的消息來看是破罐子破摔了,罰款都不怕還

hank13241 09/10 12:24怕你主場球迷噓聲?

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:26我是不懂有人一直要嘴人家經紀公司幹嘛

lsslz 09/10 12:26沒鬍子實力還那麼囂張 哪隊要接當笑話看

SuikaJasper 09/10 12:26鬍子有上場時也沒爛到哪,AD好像也說過想上場,他們

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:26難道西門今天是另一座經紀公司就不會搞這齣?

SuikaJasper 09/10 12:26的籌碼比起擺爛更多的是明年變空氣,西門剩幾年約?

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:27我看經紀公司也很無奈吧,本來約都簽好了,只要談

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:27代言之類的

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:27被這個客戶逼著去談這種吃力不討好的工作

omage 09/10 12:27與其說76人太貪心,但是西門也是一直把自己的交易價

omage 09/10 12:27值搞爛,全世界都知道你要走,就是大家都等著搶劫。

omage 09/10 12:28經紀公司?富保羅集團最好是會無奈啦XD

hank13241 09/10 12:28西門是等兩三個月才開始搞得吧,七六人是休賽期剛開

hank13241 09/10 12:29始就想賣他,但他那開價就很離譜阿

dw1012 09/10 12:29經紀公司還是有差阿 現在多的是玩整公司球員不跟你

dw1012 09/10 12:29簽約那套 這才是經紀人能夠拿翹的主因

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:29那我問你,你覺得這種事會是經濟公司叫西門搞的,

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:29還是西門自己要求的?

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:29想也知道是後者

Gakura 09/10 12:3176人根本不急好嗎

ukcm 09/10 12:33如果我是老闆被西門惹毛要搞事的話,我就留西門,

ukcm 09/10 12:33然後把鉛筆送走直接進入重建,每天讓西門先發被球

ukcm 09/10 12:33迷噓,要裝傷不上場也沒差,反正要耗就大家都來耗

Leaflock 09/10 12:34老闆又不是棒槌

hank13241 09/10 12:34我還沒看過老闆把自家球星交易走只為了跟球員賭氣的

hank13241 09/10 12:35別幼稚了行嗎?止損才是大多數球隊的選擇

s950260 09/10 12:36除了罰款聯盟對他完全無法可治嗎

GBF8U572 09/10 12:37封殺富保幹嘛 客戶自己要求不想打的

GBF8U572 09/10 12:37ukcm真的挺幽默 一個西門搞事還要送走鉛筆?

GBF8U572 09/10 12:38推hank13241 任何一個正常的操作都是止損

ukcm 09/10 12:39純粹就是我的幻想文 不知道大家這麼認真lol

GBF8U572 09/10 12:39而不是擴大自身損失只為搞一個人

tinomax 09/10 12:39西門如果真的不報到,照合約走該罰就罰應該是最好的

tinomax 09/10 12:40如果西門一整年都不來,整年薪水都省下來也不錯啊

hank13241 09/10 12:40照經驗西門頂多訓練營跟季前賽不報到,開季後每場坐

GBF8U572 09/10 12:40嗯哼 那你應該試著幻想一些實際的解決方案

hank13241 09/10 12:41場邊,看要不要讓他上,不然罰整季也是挺痛的

GBF8U572 09/10 12:41我猜是訓練營不到 開賽去場邊暖板凳吧

liusim 09/10 12:41簡單的說 賭小李喊吹失敗

ukcm 09/10 12:41以西門現在價值也換不到啥好料,這兩年要過公鹿籃

ukcm 09/10 12:41網太難

tinomax 09/10 12:42開季後如果還是一樣跳投沒長出來,傷害球隊

tinomax 09/10 12:42就把西門放替補;看他忍不忍得住

ukcm 09/10 12:43我不是球團的人 我幻想實際解決方案是要給誰看 給

ukcm 09/10 12:43你看嗎?

GBF8U572 09/10 12:43我只能說啦 最雖小的就是鉛筆

hank13241 09/10 12:43以西門的個性他要練跳投也是到新球隊練了,在七六人

hank13241 09/10 12:43鬧得這麼難堪肯定出工不出力,誰跟你努力打球

GBF8U572 09/10 12:44明明有MVP的身手 隊上的夥伴卻耍雷現在又搞抓馬

hank13241 09/10 12:44只是這種情況真的有辦法能解決嗎?每年大概都會有一

lu3yao 09/10 12:44最大的問題就是識人不清 給了這咖4年大約

hank13241 09/10 12:44次球員吹密,到底該怎麼改善

sunnydragon709/10 12:44費城這個已經習慣籃球隊有抓馬的城市,沒抓馬太無

sunnydragon709/10 12:44聊?

liusim 09/10 12:45終究是門生意 球團老闆應該比誰都清楚

lu3yao 09/10 12:45要是沒那張大約 憑西門負資產般的實力哪敢這麼囂張

liusim 09/10 12:45鉛筆也還好啦 這就是「過程」的風險

GBF8U572 09/10 12:45連輸個幾年鉛筆說不准也會吹密

liusim 09/10 12:46鉛筆如果喊吹 拿冠的可能性遠高過西門啊 看他報不報

GBF8U572 09/10 12:48要阻止球員吹密只能多列一些條款吧

liusim 09/10 12:49沒辦法阻止球員吹密的 NBA的社群文化跟其他運動感覺

liusim 09/10 12:49頗有差距~ 各種兄弟幫

GBF8U572 09/10 12:50比方說吹密的球員之後會被禁賽個好幾場

ukcm 09/10 12:51建議幻想些實際的條款啦

GBF8U572 09/10 12:51但我不覺得聯盟有打算處理這個

pp3435 09/10 12:51有機會當聯盟招牌的球星,卻被搞drama給毀了

GBF8U572 09/10 12:51比你幻想交易鉛筆弄西門實際多了老弟^_^

hank13241 09/10 12:51以收視率來看的確是不會禁止,畢竟組大團球迷集中在

hank13241 09/10 12:52少數球隊,最終總冠軍賽兩隻超級球隊對決收視率會更

hank13241 09/10 12:52好,但是...吹密真的是很難看的過程

ukcm 09/10 12:52幻想還要實際 你生活是有沒有那麼累XD 笑死

GBF8U572 09/10 12:53同樣身為頂級中鋒 鉛筆應該很羨慕小丑甚至狗貝

GBF8U572 09/10 12:53雖然費城比較爽

GBF8U572 09/10 12:54嗯哼 你也可以幻想你加盟76人取代西門拯救鉛筆

GBF8U572 09/10 12:54你開心就好齁

GBF8U572 09/10 12:54~\(≧▽≦)/~

liusim 09/10 12:54會覺得吹密很多 實際上就是極少數頂尖球員的特權

ukcm 09/10 12:54你也是開心就好耶 條款記得多想幾條 寄到阿銀信箱

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:55吹密防不住,但至少這種擺爛的要有更重的處罰吧

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:55球團自己怕受傷冰起來還好說,直接嗆不打了薪水還

LuckyoPuppy 09/10 12:55沒辦法全扣

liusim 09/10 12:56更別說西門這種 根據ESPN的說法是季後下課就雙方談

hank13241 09/10 12:56近幾年都有阿,AD 鬍子 西門,往前還有PG KL,雖然

liusim 09/10 12:56好了~

hank13241 09/10 12:56情況各不相同,但都是跟母隊不合要交易

cowbay5566 09/10 12:56等小李其實算合理,很多人都覺得小李會吹密

peterw 09/10 12:56敵不動我不動?

cowbay5566 09/10 12:57拓荒在那個情況下應該會很樂意換西門

liusim 09/10 12:58多數的一般球員都在求個機會 你喊吹誰理你

liusim 09/10 12:59應該說根本沒人在敢喊

iamnotme 09/10 12:59如果有血流成河可以看也是不錯

hank13241 09/10 13:00肯定是明星級以上在喊的阿,但現況是明星的等級越

hank13241 09/10 13:00來越低,之後應該也有非明星在喊了

liusim 09/10 13:00霸王條款也是 吹也是~ 球團要服務頂尖球員的必然

liusim 09/10 13:01球團會配合也是 為什麼要考量球員意願

liusim 09/10 13:01除了下家籌碼 也是各種球星信用累積

liusim 09/10 13:02NBA文化真的頗特殊

liusim 09/10 13:03要真的罰則反而足球那種轉會費比較實際

liusim 09/10 13:03把責任跟負擔交給受益球隊去承接

Landius 09/10 13:04雖然有前例,但前例那些當家球星好像也沒這麼大擺我

Landius 09/10 13:04就爛啊...

hank13241 09/10 13:04因為其他人是再爛都有季後賽數據支持,西門就...

hank13241 09/10 13:05就算他自己說他季後賽會更好,應該也沒人相信

hank13241 09/10 13:05所以要換他的也都是要拚季後賽而非要拚冠軍的球隊

liusim 09/10 13:06去年的鬍子不就被強哥跟表弟靠腰

liusim 09/10 13:07西門還客氣了 下課就馬上談~這案子就球團方賭錯

brian040818 09/10 13:07看來是河流鉛筆不挺導致爆炸

Landius 09/10 13:08那個關鍵表現要挺也難啊,這已經變省出手省出心病...

may60524 09/10 13:23不要最後只能換袋球

asdfzx 09/10 13:28拓荒可惜了,拿小李換西門是個不錯的選擇,槍晰也沒

asdfzx 09/10 13:28多大辦法提昇到頂的小李,但可以幫助西門脫胎換骨

asdfzx 09/10 13:30西門是大鎖可以幫CJ防守擦屁股,又不會跟CJ搶投籃

evilraistlin09/10 13:37現在的球員簽約都當成放屁是不是...

magamanzero 09/10 13:42括荒不一定 大家都在撐 看誰先撐不下去阿XD

sc79129 09/10 13:46拖了這麼久莫雷還是想要搶劫就對了?

magamanzero 09/10 13:50但是我覺得態度有差 看看小李下面那篇 對比西門...

LinEricX 09/10 13:58小李換西門別鬧了 是想害CJ進攻被包夾到死

LinEricX 09/10 13:58

iammau 09/10 14:16火箭老闆不爽莫雷根本是沒被證實的說法 水鳥老闆更

iammau 09/10 14:16不爽湖人跟AD最後還是選了對他們最有利的包裹

NTUKarbe 09/10 14:24鉛筆欽點關係了 西門可以繼續擺爛

jonestem 09/10 14:332邊都強硬,好期待抓馬啊

chen5575 09/10 14:41鉛筆喊吹的話一堆球隊會梭哈,西門沒到那個等級還想

chen5575 09/10 14:41要天價,76搞到這種局面 操盤大有問題

ui 09/10 14:44目前的西門有行無價,所以莫雷想等季中看哪隊缺吧

ui 09/10 14:44季中可能會有球隊有傷兵或是陣容磨合不理想想換陣的

chen5575 09/10 14:46很多GM搞大交易都嘛偷偷來,沒談成不承認就好,沒撕

chen5575 09/10 14:46破臉還能維持表面和諧,76大張旗鼓賣了三個月結果搞

chen5575 09/10 14:46成這樣

JusufNurkic 09/10 14:50小李還不是因為奧總小修小補

JusufNurkic 09/10 14:50哪像西門是自己搞

kl015013 09/10 15:06一堆白癡幻想自己是老闆要冰他

hlb5828 09/10 15:07太長,沒人在乎

scratch01 09/10 15:19乖乖進入下個過程吧過程迷

nnn1106 09/10 15:53他傳球就是學L8J打合理籃球

kensai 09/10 16:09他不是季後賽弱點嗎,為何季後賽球隊要他?

hank13241 09/10 16:18是要拚季後賽球隊要他,他例行賽打得好帶的動才是

hank13241 09/10 16:18最主要目標

hsiung9 09/10 16:30吉巴是想贏球 西門是只想躺在床上玩球

hsiung9 09/10 16:31當然西門不只二袋球的價直 只是跟可愛 哈登這等級差

hsiung9 09/10 16:31太遠 誰會梭哈這種軟球員

jump693 09/10 17:25西門就想走,找個實際的包裹交易巴

fatal5566 09/10 18:23等消息稽查員跳出來說試假消息 哈哈

ahsoo 09/10 18:4176人該止損了啦 不然西門上場散步或惡搞,對球隊一點

ahsoo 09/10 18:42好處都沒有,而且76人的總薪資那麼高,他的約還卡4年

ahsoo 09/10 18:43目標是想奪冠現在最起碼該做的是處理掉這張約

ahsoo 09/10 18:51目前76人應該是錯過最佳交易時機了,要不到比之前更

ahsoo 09/10 18:51高的籌碼

a180310444a 09/10 19:07看來鉛筆這婊子在搞鬼呀,到處放話再來說這都不是

a180310444a 09/10 19:07我說的

anyu0805 09/10 19:08翻譯的好長,推!

justaID 09/10 19:49推這篇,講了滿多細節。看到「不像天賦狼跟火箭,

justaID 09/10 19:49吉巴跟鬍子都是他們球隊的頂尖球員」忍不住笑出來

justaID 09/10 19:49;不過看完後覺得76人不太可能罰西門一週130萬鎂(

justaID 09/10 19:49雖然我滿想看),要先禁賽才能罰款,對76人本身來

justaID 09/10 19:49說也不是增加籌碼的方法(76人會希望西門出賽增加

justaID 09/10 19:49交易價值),而且西門可以靠一些小動作來閃,例如

justaID 09/10 19:49故意違反covid-19準則而無法出賽。覺得這個僵局最

justaID 09/10 19:49後八成是76人認賠降價出售

OyAlbert 09/10 22:0176人是一定得認賠了,端看要虧多少,其實送西門去天

OyAlbert 09/10 22:01賦狼是最好的選擇,公務員隊友、沒季後壓力、吸引不

OyAlbert 09/10 22:01到大咖所以擺爛也能吃到溢價約,但天賦狼的包不知道

OyAlbert 09/10 22:01莫雷要不要

ocean0817 09/10 22:26就是富保集團和幕後黑手在撐腰,所以這咖才這麼囂張

TsukimiyaAyu09/10 22:37協尋查核中心

HsiangFly 09/10 23:09所以擺爛還是對球員有利 真爽 爛聯盟

ciafbi007 09/11 09:47curry 打成surry

RZPTT 09/12 12:39簡單講就是一個巴掌拍不響,西門這邊太過意氣用事

RZPTT 09/12 12:3976人這邊則是莫雷打死不肯吃虧,死也不願認賠殺出

RZPTT 09/12 12:39所以就變成現在的僵局了