[外電] Baker:我求聯盟在新球季保護太空人
Dusty Baker urges MLB to protect Astros from beanballs, retaliation
Jeff Passan, ESPN 12:36 AM CT
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Houston manager Dusty Baker urged Major League
Baseball to help protect his players from potential retaliation and to
discipline opponents who hit Astros players with pitches because they're
angry at the organization for the widespread cheating during their
championship-winning 2017 season.
火越燒越大，貝克忍不住了，直接公開請求聯盟保護太空人球員免於被故意報復。
"I'm depending on the league to try to put a stop to this seemingly
premeditated retaliation that I'm hearing about," Baker said Saturday
morning. "And in most instances in life, you get kind of reprimanded when youhave premeditated anything. I'm just hoping that the league puts a stop to
this before somebody gets hurt."
「我現在只能寄望聯盟對這些我聽聞的看似已有預謀的報復踩剎車了，
在真實人生中如果你在預謀什麼不好的事被知道了也會被大聲斥責，
我只希望聯盟在這些孩子們受傷之前做做事。」
The deluge of criticism toward the Astros did not abate Saturday, with
Chicago Cubs star Kris Bryant calling the organization "a disgrace" and not
buying into the team's apology.
隨著各隊紛紛報到開訓，全民嘴爆浪潮一點都沒有緩和的跡象，
今天小熊老大是最新加入的大咖，他說這隊簡直是耳心而且同樣不接受道歉。
"There's no sincerity. There's no genuineness when it comes to it," Bryant
said about the Astros. "I know that if I messed up big in that way, I'd be
the first one to let you know just how big of a mess up it was. It's hard to
believe. It really is. It's sad."
「一點誠意都沒有，完全看不出誠心，」老大補充：
「我只知道如果我亂搞成這樣然後走到這步我會第一個想讓眾人知道到底亂搞到什麼程度 真是太不可置信了，真難過」
It comes a day after reigning National League MVP Cody Bellinger said the
Astros "stole" the 2017 championship from the Los Angeles Dodgers and second
baseman Jose Altuve "stole" the American League MVP from New York Yankees
outfielder Aaron Judge in 2017. Cincinnati Reds starter Trevor Bauer went on
an eight-minute harangue of the Astros, saying: "I'm not going to let them
forget the fact that they are hypocrites, they are cheaters."
Asked whether he would consider throwing at Astros batters, Dodgers pitcher
Ross Stripling told reporters: "I would lean toward yes. In the right time
and the right place."
Stripling's comments echoed the sentiments of Cleveland Indians starter Mike
Clevinger, who two weeks ago said: "I think players will deal with it the wayit should be across the league. I don't think it's going to be a comfortable
few ABs for a lot of those boys, and it shouldn't be. They shouldn't be
comfortable."
笑臉王牌柯雷文哲兩週前的發言現在倒是被提起的不多，再提一次：
「我認為全聯盟的球員們都會用『該有的型態』來處理(太空人)，
他們這些打者們不會有幾個舒服的打席的，也不應該有，他們不應該過太舒服。」
Dodgers pitcher Alex Wood balked at the idea that Astros players were not
disciplined for the sign-stealing scandal -- they traded honest testimony in
interviews with MLB for immunity from punishment -- but others could be
disciplined for throwing at them.
When MLB determines the intent of a pitch is to hit a player, it typically
levies a suspension for between three and five games.
"Somebody will take it into their own hands, and they'll get suspended more
games than any of those guys got for the biggest cheating scandal in 100
years," Wood said. "It'll be pretty ironic when that happens, because I'm
sure that's how it'll end up playing out."
道奇被臨檢、Stripling、Alex Wood先前嘴爆內容，中英文消息都已有很多不贅述。
(聯盟認為你是故意砸人的話，依現行規定通常會被禁3-5場)
Altuve, who a spokesman said was not at the Astros' complex Saturday, was notavailable for comment. Through the spokesman, outfielder George Springer and
shortstop Carlos Correa declined to comment. Starter Justin Verlander was thelone member of the 2017 Astros to speak Saturday.
HOU發言人說阿土伯今天不在隊上，(關於可能被故意砸一事)無法評論，
春天哥和柯瑞亞則是拒絕評論，只有V又講了幾句。
"The game has changed," Verlander said. "I think the commissioner has made itvery clear in the past few seasons that throwing a baseball at somebody isn'tan appropriate form of retaliation in the game anymore. The problem is
knowing if it's on purpose or not. But I guess when you come out and say I'm
going to do it on purpose, you know."
「現在時代已經不同了，」V說：
「過去幾季高層們已經表達得非常清楚用故意丟人來報復是很不適當的，
問題在於怎麼判定是不是故意的，但我想當你都已經跑出來大聲說你要故意的時候，
那就是了。」
Players across baseball have denigrated the Astros since reporting to spring
training -- particularly following an ill-received apology Thursday during
which owner Jim Crane suggested the cheating scheme "didn't impact the game"
and consistently deferred to commissioner Rob Manfred's report to defend his
lack of accountability.
"I thought the apologies were whatever," Bellinger said. "I thought Jim
Crane's was weak. I thought Manfred's punishment was weak, giving 'em
immunity. I mean, these guys were cheating for three years. I think what
people don't realize is Altuve stole an MVP from Judge in '17. Everyone knowsthey stole the ring from us.
"I know personally I lost respect for those guys. I think I would say
everyone in The Show, in the big leagues, lost respect for those guys."
同上，被臨檢的怒吼。
Added Bryant: "I'm pretty sure it was going [on] in 2018 and 2019, too. If
they didn't get caught, they'd still be doing it. And they're only doing thisapology because they got caught. Everyone around the league is upset and
rightfully so, because it's really a disgrace to the game."
熊熊老大說：「我很確定2018和19一定還是有做啦，當你做了又沒人來抓，
你當然還會繼續做。他們現在道歉只是因為他們被抓到了，
聯盟裡每個人都很不爽並且很有正當理由不爽，這對比賽本身真是個恥辱。」
The only way to regain the respect, Verlander said, is to win this season.
"It'll be like walking into a visiting stadium in the playoffs every time we
go anywhere," he said. "At least we've experienced that before. You hope
it'll die down eventually. I don't know if it will or not."
最後V說，唯一一個贏回尊重的方法大概是本季也贏下去了。
「我們整年每到一個客場那裡都會像季後賽氣氛一樣迎接我們，
至少我們以前有類似經驗了，你當然希望這氣氛終有一天會平息，
我只是不知道會或不會。」
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回顧前面自己的看法，我還是要說聯盟這處理方式和尺度我一點都不意外，
太空人上下的說法和「道歉」方式也不太意外。
但這件事的演進狀況倒真的讓人有點意外和側目了，
隨著各隊全體報到(像洋基的野手群這兩天報到)，
可以預期這個議題和空戰還要延續好一段時間。
先不管真實狀況和什麼有幾隊不乾淨啦，聯盟的危機和公關處理真的很棒呢，嗯。
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02/16 04:57
V中怎沒#fakenews
故意觸身會被告傷害罪嗎?
各隊小聯盟火球男通通拉上來
今年太空人團隊被觸身球次數可望破紀錄XD
建議太空人打者穿盔甲上去打擊，一個正常的投手都
會把球往他們身上招呼
藤浪、葉+7有機會上大聯盟了
大家會不爽還不是你聯盟罰太輕了 不如自己來
罰那個不痛不癢的 真想叫控球不好的投手上來
這麼嚴重的事 結果球員都沒事 當然欠丟
保護個屌 作弊的時候被打爆的那些菜鳥投手你怎麼不
去保護 講那什麼雞雞話
天使要不要找藤浪
他不用故意都會有一堆觸身球Xd
Verlander你也別做夢了 跟魔獸一樣 只要你開過圖 不管
那個V什麼的完美示範何謂雙標仔
之後再怎麼神降臨 你永遠是垃圾圖狗
作弊球員要是好好道歉且招供的話，也許反彈聲浪不會這
麼大XD 建議作弊球員自主禁賽管理，免得進傷兵囉
好好道歉對他們來說真的很難 人品何以低落至此
別再出來吸引炮火了Verlander 枉費我前年還在為你生涯
贏得第一座冠軍而感動 感謝太鼓人對你的支持 真是浪費
感情
好委屈喔，作弊時怎麼不多想一下
我只能說當新球季中在太空人身上發生的任何事情都是他
們自找的。
不好意思 贏回尊重的方式是全裸打球證明你們沒有做假
柯雷文哲
不然我也只會覺得打好是新種作弊方式
可以啊 全隊禁賽一年啊 夠保護了吧
V中真的是嘴臭 其他投手不講話就沒事 自己引火上身
唉 Baker看起來很誠懇但是其他人一直在拉仇恨有屁用
而且最重要的是Baker根本不是當事者
Baker 很像幫中學生護航的老師 但是這群不是學生了
預謀作弊不用禁賽，為什麼預謀報復要禁賽?
這隊球員的道德素質爛爆，還當爸呢，呵呵呵
之前看聯盟不敢重罰，還以為是多數球隊都有作弊呢。現在
看大家嘴太鼓人的樣子，看來大多數球隊都是沒作弊的，既
然如此，聯盟到底在縮什麼的
Baker接總教練所以出來說話是他的職責，但既然聯盟不處理球員
，那也別怪球員自己私刑正義
這群咖小484不知道恥字怎麼寫?
自食惡果應該的拉 要怪就怪Manfred這護航的咖
喔對 這樣來每場的觸身球額度就很貴重了 1~3顆就警蹦了
作弊的你打再好也沒人會尊敬阿，其他事情你可以用成績洗，作
弊仔成績打再好，想到你本來就有實力還要作弊，只會更覺得你
噁心而已
打鼓人成績不知道會下降多少，希望季後賽都進不了
噁心
阿偷伯 Bangman Correa，這三隻最無恥
主席:這次我聽到了
罰則沒變的話 大家應該都準備好出氣了~~~~~~
觸身球不行 那出鬼腳好了 反正這三個剛好都是內野
Baker作為新來的總仔也只能這樣說咯，反觀繼續敗人品
的不要臉球員
主席就這樣子 就別怪球員丟人
自己說的話自己負責啊
V中好正義好棒棒
全隊打者禁賽就丟不到了，這方法不錯吧
sp下場前來一下好像沒差
不要臉到一個極致
最好的保護方式就是通通禁賽不上場啊，問題一次解決
全隊下放到3A以他們牌子在3A應該能躲過被故意砸
自己先把比賽搞髒，然後現在不准其他人把比賽搞髒，標準真
一致
連道歉都這麼難看，真的人品低劣無下限
一個犯人申請辯護律師的概念
直接砸了啦 了不起自請退場
期待開季第一砸了
會 怕 就 好
作弊都沒在怕會怕觸身球？
不對阿 太鼓人那摸會偷暗號那也偷得到觸身球暗號拔
保護啥洨應該都不能打球才是那
作弊cp值真的高 還可以唉說別打我 被打到生涯報銷的 連想
報復的機會都沒有
打者全部禁賽
是怕屁 偷到觸身球暗號馬上退出打擊區阿笨
那就觸身和被鏟擇一好了
作弊會怕其他隊報復?
藤浪:猜猜我是故意的還是不小心的
聯盟不禁你們賽 我們就用觸身球強制把你們禁賽
其實
MLB應該推出新規定，如果對太空人打著投出觸身球的投手
事後有道歉或是堅持不是故意的，可以免罰，這樣子兩邊
應該都沒話說。
包爾 : 爽 我先發10篇道歉文放著 扣打10個麻煩自己上來
挨砸站穩囉
要砸你挑時間多麼簡單大幅領先或落後都可以
當初球隊打死不認，現在向聯盟求饒，真噁心的球隊！
什麼 有道歉就能丟？ 我還不寫個道歉文產生器
MLB跟NBA的管理階層靈活度真的差蠻多的
簽藤浪 就不是故意砸人了
V根本火上加油
Verlander的嘴臉真的越來越非好感
V中晚節不保
不錯啊 保護太空人打者最佳辦法就是參與作弊的都終身
禁賽 就不怕會被砸了
V真的雙標仔呵呵呵呵
本球季就是吃飯、睡覺、砸太空人
怕熱還進廚房
我認為如果太空人中後段在搶門票時出現的機率很大
或者是等季後賽 如果對方毫無勝算時也有機會
但是如果把人砸到提前退休 問題也很大 .
拉基太鼓人，那嘴臉真是夠噁心的
保護最簡單的方式就是禁賽啊，砸不到唷
禁個1-2年就不用擔心了 作弊人被報銷也是罪有應得
最好V中因為亂講話進不去聖人堂 Schlling光是嘴政治就
進不去了 V中亂嘴球賽應該比照辦理
之前那個種族歧視的球員還在太鼓人嗎？
江湖規矩 偷就是觸身球~
整隊禁賽2年，這才叫保護
把人砸到生涯報銷問題很大，那被他們作弊打爆，生涯結
束的新人投手要怎麼說？
聯盟罰這麼輕根本是婊太色...
聯盟乾兒子
V中在當虎王時狂罵作弊 現在倒是很安靜
會不會出現守備時被鏟、上壘時被球丟啊？
想到V嫂當初說:我老公只有我能fuck XDDDDDDDDD
V閉嘴啦 球隊的義氣不是用在這種地方啦
到時後找個沒有公開發言過的投手照樣丟死你們啦
雙標仔還敢出來裝義氣假中立
怕被砸就自主禁賽兩年起跳啦 怎麼自主洗門風都不知道
還怕被砸
v偽善者
還不趕快破解敵方要投觸身球時的動作
躲去獨聯阿 這麼怕的話
反正你們可以用垃圾桶叫球員閃觸身球
那如果別隊因為"保護"怕丟內角球 這隊是不是佔超大優勢
叫球員穿垃圾桶當護甲還比較合理
收回2017世界冠軍我可以接受你們不被砸
來個春訓特打：如何把球打向投手算了
真的要保護球員 最好還是宣布解散
保護作弊仔？？禁賽比較快啊
作弊仔還要什麼保護
作弊仔也怕被報復阿
噁
投手們來引一下V中的話發言說我也覺得太空人不該被砸吧
聯盟不罰就是給大家制裁啊
笑了 聯盟當然是覺得處罰好麻煩 交給球員自行處理啊 跟聯
盟講有用嗎
還可以用觸身來增加話題 超棒的
觸身球罰個幾個人是還好 不過阿土伯跟院長是二游 總有
DP機會的呵呵呵
鬼腳大戰垃圾(X
喜歡偷暗號 這次直接透露要丟觸身球 不是正合貴司風格嗎
不要敲了啦 浪費垃圾桶 直接跟你講什麼時後丟觸身球就好
貴隊
其實有個辦法 直接宣布重建 把主力野手都交易掉 最好
給道奇
千萬不要 這些垃圾就算免費過來 都會髒了道奇
聯盟輕輕放下，就別怪投手重重丟下
觸身球的暗號偷不到嗎，閃就對了
沒罰球員就已經是保護了
保護加害者幹嘛,聯盟應該保護受害者才對...
作弊人還怕人報復，沒被罰已經夠扯
因為Baker我更想看到球往太鼓人身上招呼了...
真噁心呀 貝克這咖 為了些臭錢 講得出這種話
柯雷文哲xdd
藤浪準備旅美嘍，人家不是故意的QQ
第一次希望有人被砸到送醫
藤浪旅美機會大增
找免洗牛上來砸就好
太空人這麼想贏,那每隊碰到他們都故意輸,讓他們162-0爽吧
讓他們荒廢一球季沒得好好練,季後賽再把他們幹掉
爆
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Fw: [情報] 太空人預期會請Dusty Baker 續留作者: zxc906383 (無無) 看板: Baseball 標題: [情報] 太空人預期會請Dusty Baker 續留 時間: Sat Oct 22 23:23:20 2022 Astros Expected To Ask Dusty Baker Back For 2023 Season5X
[情報] 太空人記者會摘要新任總教練 Dusty Baker "I want to ask the baseball world to forgive the mistakes they made." 我想請求棒球界的人們原諒他們所犯下的過錯 Jose Altuve "Whole Astros organization feels bad about what happened in 2017."![[情報] 太空人記者會摘要](https://i.imgur.com/lSoOk9wb.jpg "[情報] 太空人記者會摘要")