Re: [無用] 藍帖對於M+跳車仔的回應

※ 引述《mealoop (肉oop)》之銘言：
: https://www.wowhead.com/news/335795
: 以下估狗翻譯
: 有趣的是你應該要提到這一點。我們已經就這個主題進行了幾次內部討論，雖然還沒有什: 麼可以宣布的（而且，實際上，暫時不太可能），但這是我們非常關注的問題。說「敬請: 關注」感覺有點不誠實，因為不會立即出現任何結果，但如果這些討論有結果，這是你不: 要感到驚訝的預警。
: 一篇廢話 有講跟沒講差不多
: 不過看起來第四季或者11版就會出現對應措施 嗎？

其實原討論區的空氣 是跟ptt這裡有點落差的
注重的點不太一樣

Kaylessa(發帖人)

Since there is a problem with people bailing on mythic+ keys and going into
groups and generally not wanting to cooperate. Why isn’t it a thing (or
could it be a thing) to give incentive to complete a pug group without anyoneleaving? Not enough to be game breaking, but enough to be desirable? Some bitof new currency that could purchase cosmetic items/pets/mounts?

There seems to be a problem that is often commented on in the forums about
this topic. If folks are trolling just for funsies, why not give them a
reason NOT to? Reward the desired behavior. . .more carrot. . so to speak?

Just a thought.

既然存在那些跳車又不跟隊友合作的人
為什麼不去獎勵那些打完預組的人?
(獎勵)不需要很OP 但是會讓玩家想拿 可能是可以買外觀/寵物/坐騎的貨幣?

簡單來說原PO(Kaylessa)就是想要獎勵去鼓勵別人 不去跳車

一樓的Cyrios是這樣說的

I know FF14 has a rating system that can only be used by randoms and not
friends, I think a certain commendation rating gives you stuff, so I guess
being a jerk will not give you points from others.

You mean something like that?

FF14有一個純預組才可以給分的系統 如果你是個機掰人別人不會給你分

最後面Kaylessa也補充了她對於跳車的人的看法

You do have people who leave for legit reasons. . .the run is just chaos, thedog is throwing up, someone is at the door, sudden emergency bathroom trip.
.etc. Those would get lumped in too, but the people who do that generally don’t make a habit of it.

It is rare for me to leave a pug run. I did last week when I went into vault
of the incarnates for some mog items and there was only one tank. . .and thattank decided (after being told repeatedly not to do it) that he was going to
solo tank the primal council. I bailed on that one. There was also a healer
missing. Tank didn’t want to wait. But generally, I’ll stay through wipes,
it’s not a big deal. I’m pretty tolerant and I’m a newbie guide as well.

I’m just trying to figure out a way to deal with the (extremely vocal)
problem of people bricking keys or going into instances just to be a troll.
So I’d want to see how many times they’ve bailed on an a run in progress…
. and how many times they’ve been vote kicked.

1.人有急事跳車 她可以理解

2.她本人不會隨便跳
但是她舉的例子很奇怪 她說打上版本的團本 ummmmrm
當然知道她的意思就好 她的意思是她是個有耐心的玩家

3.她希望有辦法去對付那些故意來戳的玩家
例如他們連續跳了幾次車 連續被踢了幾次
她指的像"大土坑"(註)這種玩家

所以有了這些討論 設計師Chimes所發的這個回應 就變得可以理解了吧

"你說的東西很有趣 我們也想過 但是現在不會加 但是加了也不要太意外"

獎勵系統 還在想

故意戳人的懲罰 現在的確懲罰了某些玩家(大土坑就被罰過)
但是系統化還是要想

大概是這樣
看完上下文應該不難理解設計師為什麼會有這樣的回應

註：大土坑是一個專門跳別人車的中國直播玩家
會把自己的人物用帶/代打打上高分 然後進那些相對低層的組
比如3500分他會去加 23 24這種
然後開場拉一群怪跳車

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空氣不是風氣的意思喔 空氣是氣氛 氛圍 是日語的漢字 近年來成為中文的衍生用語 因為這篇藍帖在wowhead是直接被節錄 但是並沒有附上原文討論串 所以設計師的回答 才看起來不知所謂 其實原討論串的玩家已經有清楚的分析 並給出方案 設計師當然就是好 你說(方案)得不錯 而ptt這裡似乎就是比較注重投射自己所遇到的負面體驗 兩者沒有優劣 就是不一樣