Re: [短評] 《1917 列寧在火車上》
我問了英國人,回答如下:
The fact that Lenin had not ventured to reward him and the Soviet state had
branded him a traitor only reinforced Parvus' disillusionment with Lenin's
Russia. (I suspect the implication is that these were the major source of his"disillusionment".)
原譯者沒漏看nor!
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呃所以正史上蘇俄到底沒有把帕爾烏斯定義為叛徒阿...
我只懂英文,不懂這部分的歷史。
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贊成這質疑 等週末有空再說
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本來是不想對這話題多說什麼的,看了貓頭鷹的勘誤表, 忍不住要叨念幾句,大概是教了幾年書的職業病. : 推 richardplch: 您的疑慮完全合理,然而從實務上言,台灣大部分出版 07/11 13:50 : 推 richardplch: 社的編輯人員,其能力和可用時間只怕無法做到比對原 07/11 13:57 : → richardplch: 文的校稿和潤稿。至於審核專業人士,也不見得每位都 07/11 13:575
原文恕刪。 今天看到貓頭鷹公佈包括本書在內的再版編譯勘誤表,在此分享: ---- Sent from BePTT on my iPhone XS17
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