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ryannieh
(Ryan是這麼幹的是根本沒3)
時間推噓 X 推:5 噓:7 →:70

有人大概很訝異:一堆防空砲,帳面上性能
好幾千公尺,為何我說它們對小型無人機射
程基本不超過一千公尺?

講再多沒用,先看證據:

Cockerill的反無人機30mm砲:1000m

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/john-cockerill-defence-unveils-new-anti-drone-solution-for-30-mm-gun

““During the first trial campaign in Bulgaria
the new suite was capable to defeat small
Class 1 drones at ranges of approximately
1,000 meters using a single 30 mm
programmable ABM round. Further
developments and firing campaigns will be
conducted during the year, with the aim to
have the system qualified and ready by year-
end,” Haye told EDR On-Line.”

Slinger 30mm砲:800m

https://eos-aus.com/defence/counter-drone-systems/slinger/#:~:text=The%20Slinger%20counter%2Ddrone%20system,due%20to%20its%20unique%20ammunition.

“Capable of tracking and engaging moving
drones beyond 800m, the Slinger is ideal for
urban environments due to its unique
ammunition.”

KNDS的ARX30: 1000m

https://spartanat.com/en/eurosatory-24-30mm-gegen-drohnen

“The ARX 30 is the perfect system for protecting company-level units or for integration as a secondary weapon on
combat tanks. It features a 30mm cannon
with very low recoil and a range of one
kilometer. “

斯洛伐克的Wold 25 AD: 350m

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/wolf-25-ad-slovak-anti-drone-system-to-be-tested-in-ukraine/

“The developers assure that the vehicle has
already undergone testing against FPV
drones: standard 25 mm ammunition
successfully intercepted FPV drones at
distances up to 350 meters. Thus, the system
is designed to meet the challenges of modern
battlefields, particularly in Ukraine.”

這裡要特別注意:文中特別列出偵測距離可以
遠達5公里,但實際接戰距離只有350m

我還可以列出更多啦!但是我有點睏了,就到
這裡。這裡雖然沒有列出某G最愛的Skyranger
30,但基本上不會差太多。事實上各位仔細想
想就知道,德國明明就有35砲,為何還去搞一
個帳面性能還倒退的30砲出來?為什麼老美要
拿30*113這種小便砲來防空?原因其實就是
帳面的射程再長,對於打小型無人機根本是另
一回事,過去高大上的防空砲,現在反而是犧
牲攜彈量的累贅。

好了,話講完了,各位還有疑問嗎?像某G那
種看帳面數字判斷的初級軍事迷行為,就不要
再幹了吧?



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dfgh5566 09/16 00:21好感動,國軍以中科院為堅實後盾,憑藉自主研發與尖

dfgh5566 09/16 00:21端技術,戰力已躋身世界頂尖水準,展現國防科技的非

dfgh5566 09/16 00:21凡實力

jason748 09/16 00:24你是不看帳面數字完全靠瞎掰跟腦補

saccharomyce09/16 00:26又在跳針

whitertiger 09/16 00:48能不能先回答網友問題,不要逃避跳針?

ryannieh 09/16 08:50都已經講了那麼多你們基本事實都搞錯的東西,你們要

ryannieh 09/16 08:50不想聽,講什麼都不會有用啦!

kira925 09/16 09:22是誰基本事實都搞錯啊...

kira925 09/16 09:22彈頭本身無導引的火箭彈是能防誰拉

whitertiger 09/16 10:43大師不敢提skyranger 30是因為主砲打無人機射程可以

whitertiger 09/16 10:43達到3公里,遠比他說的那些裝備優秀,還能裝載刺針

whitertiger 09/16 10:43大小的防空飛彈且能裝在各種不同載具,性能足夠優秀

whitertiger 09/16 10:43不然不會有越來越多國家採用,我看大師是怕打臉才不

whitertiger 09/16 10:43敢提吧

whitertiger 09/16 10:44大師怎麼不檢討自己的基本軍事常識認知有問題?

whitertiger 09/16 10:45會說機甲可以取代戰車擔任步兵火力支援任務這句話,

whitertiger 09/16 10:45怎麼看其軍事常識有問題吧

whitertiger 09/16 10:46能不能講一下哪個國家根據戰車無用論把戰車部隊給裁

whitertiger 09/16 10:46了?

whitertiger 09/16 10:46還有哪個國家用無人機取代戰車執行步兵火力支援任務

whitertiger 09/16 10:46

ryannieh 09/16 10:54我哪有不敢提?SkyRanger 30對抗小型無人機的有效射

ryannieh 09/16 10:54程根本就沒公開資料,是要怎麼提具體數字?我提了一

ryannieh 09/16 10:54堆別的系統的數字你沒看到嗎?你為什麼會覺得SkyRan

ryannieh 09/16 10:54ger 30的數字會差很多?當然你也可以說德國人一定棒

ryannieh 09/16 10:54棒、打小無人機射程3公里,其他國家的人都白癡、做

ryannieh 09/16 10:54出來的東西都屎,射程都1公里以下,但那是你的信仰

ryannieh 09/16 10:54,不用來找我辯

ryannieh 09/16 11:02戰車沒裁掉?美中兩國早就要把戰車改到連他媽都不認

ryannieh 09/16 11:02得的程度,除了名字還叫戰車以外,還剩下多少?你跟

ryannieh 09/16 11:02我說那叫沒裁掉?你們只是在無意義地抵抗轉型而已

saccharomyce09/16 11:05笑死 說的好像99B不存在一樣

saccharomyce09/16 11:06chatgpt少用一點

kira925 09/16 11:39你搞不清楚人家M230LF是兼用不是主力防空就別鬧...

kira925 09/16 11:40為什麼只兼用 因為沒你想的威脅大啊

jason748 09/16 12:00M1E3連實車都還沒出來你就知道了?

jason748 09/16 12:0199B有到牠媽不認得的程度?

Gdiaofuta 09/16 12:02我看砲兵大師是活在戰地風雲2142的世界才會覺得現

Gdiaofuta 09/16 12:02在的戰車改到他媽都看不出來

whitertiger 09/16 12:25哪沒有公開資料 ? 你要不要去查一下

whitertiger 09/16 12:27還在實驗的東西,都還沒下部隊能取代現役的武器系統

whitertiger 09/16 12:27 ?

whitertiger 09/16 12:27會不會腦補太嚴重

whitertiger 09/16 12:28Depending on the tactical needs and the required

whitertiger 09/16 12:28 target spectrum, the Skyranger can be equipped

whitertiger 09/16 12:28with a 35 mm x 228 KDG revolver cannon or a 30

whitertiger 09/16 12:28mm x 173 KCE revolver cannon. Both cannons are

whitertiger 09/16 12:28characterised by a high rate of fire, excellent

whitertiger 09/16 12:28precision and airburst ammunition. The 35mm

whitertiger 09/16 12:28calibre offers C-RAM capability and an effective

whitertiger 09/16 12:28 range of up to 4,000m. The 30 mm calibre has an

whitertiger 09/16 12:28 effective range of up to 3,000m and the gun

whitertiger 09/16 12:28turret is designed to also mount short-range air

whitertiger 09/16 12:28 defence missiles.

whitertiger 09/16 12:29這可是萊茵金屬官網說的,不是啥AI講的

whitertiger 09/16 12:31他沒特別講對抗無人機射程多少,是因為防空炮不只是

whitertiger 09/16 12:31打無人機,任何射程內的空中目標都樣能對付,包括固

whitertiger 09/16 12:31定翼或旋翼、各類形無人機、巡弋飛彈等

whitertiger 09/16 12:34能打的東西比那些專門打無人機的多了,而且射程也更

whitertiger 09/16 12:34遠,所以買的國家越來越多

ryannieh 09/16 13:53笑死,它寫”up to”就表示不是所有情況都可以到極

ryannieh 09/16 13:53限值了。一句老話啦!你要覺得別的國家的人都是笨蛋

ryannieh 09/16 13:53,打小型無人機都只測幾百公尺射程,只有德國能到好

ryannieh 09/16 13:53幾公里,那是你的信仰,你想相信什麼就相信吧!

whitertiger 09/16 14:47誰在幻想我想版上的大佬們都看得出來,不說了

bearq258 09/16 15:25可程式化彈藥 射程 與標準彈不太一樣

bearq258 09/16 15:28高爆彈35mm 3.5Km 有效 可程式 估2KM應該可信

ryannieh 09/16 16:29沒有這回事。我上面列的好幾個都是空爆彈,有效射程

ryannieh 09/16 16:29一樣就幾百一千公尺

SIL 09/16 18:33又開始都是別人有問題了XD

scotch 09/16 22:12你就繼續看這傢伙亂講,第一個Cokerill 是純光電沒

scotch 09/16 22:12雷達,有效一公里。Slinger對UAV的追蹤距離只有800

scotch 09/16 22:12(因為雷達非常小)所以有效距離是800。KNDS也是純

scotch 09/16 22:12光電有效一公里。Wolf 是用一般彈直擊。他講得數據

scotch 09/16 22:12只證明歐洲IFV光電對UAV的有效距離是1公里,其他一

scotch 09/16 22:12個小雷達,一個直擊,然後拿他來證明射程。

scotch 09/16 22:14考據考到哪裡了,反正繼續亂拿數字舉證

ryannieh 09/17 16:16笑死,以現代雷達和光電的性能,你覺得是感測器的問

ryannieh 09/17 16:16題?瞎掰也要有個限度

ryannieh 09/17 16:19按你的邏輯推論,那些國家都是笨蛋,故意裝爛光電爛

ryannieh 09/17 16:19雷達來限制射程,只有德國人腦袋正常?